[lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: FN-DSA Documents
Kris Kwiatkowski <kris@amongbytes.com> Tue, 07 April 2026 11:30 UTC
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Subject: [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: FN-DSA Documents
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I support adoption. Adoption of these documents is independent of the outcome of FIPS 206. They will probably follow FIPS 206 normatively, possibly with limited local adaptations. Kris On 02/04/2026 12:59, Dang, Quynh H. (Fed) wrote: > > I expect an IPD will get published soon and a revision of it will get > finalized maybe by the end of this year or early next year and there is a > good chance that the revision would be the final specification. > > We need everyone to review it carefully then provide us your comments. > > Regards, > > Quynh. > > *From:*Bas Westerbaan <bas=40cloudflare.com@dmarc.ietf.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2026 5:39 PM > *To:* Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> > *Cc:* IETF LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org> > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents > > Happy for them to be adopted. > > Let me add to Scott's comments that NIST hasn't started the IPD phase yet. I > expect it will take some time to work out the kinks before we see a final > standard (not having seen the draft yet,) and it'll be good for folks here > to join that process early, as also operational decisions not disimilar to > those of prehashing and private key format will have to be made. > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2026 at 8:45 PM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote: > > We have two FN-DSA documents: draft-turner-lamps-cms-fn-dsa and > draft-turner-lamps-fn-dsa-certificates. > > I would like to see the LAMPS WG adopt these, and then push them forward > when NISP publishes FIPS 206 and assigns the OIDs. What do others think? > > Russ > > _______________________________________________ > Spasm mailing list -- spasm@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to spasm-leave@ietf.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Spasm mailing list --spasm@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email tospasm-leave@ietf.org
- [lamps] FN-DSA Documents Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents John Mattsson
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Michael StJohns
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Salz, Rich
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Bas Westerbaan
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: FN-DSA Documents Dang, Quynh H. (Fed)
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: FN-DSA Documents Kris Kwiatkowski
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Watson Ladd
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Sean Turner
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: FN-DSA Documents Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [lamps] Re: [EXT] Re: FN-DSA Documents Sean Turner
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents John Mattsson
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Thom Wiggers
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: FN-DSA Documents John Gray
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: FN-DSA Documents Kris Kwiatkowski
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Joe Mandel
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Sean Turner
- [lamps] Re: FN-DSA Documents Bas Westerbaan