Re: [lamps] Potential Topics for LAMPS Recharter
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Mon, 02 April 2018 14:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: [lamps] Potential Topics for LAMPS Recharter
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On 30/03/18 19:05, Russ Housley wrote: > 2) draft-housley-cms-mts-hash-sig: SECDISPATCH suggested that the > LAMPS WG take on hash-based signatures for CMS as an additional work > item. As I said at the mic in London, I support this work being done in the IETF, but I'm not sure LAMPS is a good choice. It's not a *terrible* choice, but doing this in LAMPS is a bit odd as I for one would argue that an experimental RFC could be the right target for this work and that seems like a mismatch with the LAMPS charter. Re-chartering LAMPS to allow for this kind of work also seems to me to risk hitting the PKIX problem where we end up with a WG that's a catch-all for anything related to PKI. I figure that'd be a bad plan, but others may disagree. In summary, I think maybe SUIT is a better match for hash-based sig work, given that s/w signing is the likely use-case for these schemes. That said, I'm not subscribed to SUIT so don't know if there's real interest from participants there either. I'd also be fine if the ADs spun up a new short-lived WG just for this work. FWIW, if the end result here is to do this work in LAMPS, I won't whine about that. (I may whine if this WG really starts turning into PKIX++ though:-) S.
- Re: [lamps] Potential Topics for LAMPS Recharter Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Erik Andersen
- [lamps] Potential Topics for LAMPS Recharter Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Potential Topics for LAMPS Recharter Tim Hollebeek
- Re: [lamps] Potential Topics for LAMPS Recharter Stephen Farrell
- Re: [lamps] Potential Topics for LAMPS Recharter Erik Andersen
- Re: [lamps] Potential Topics for LAMPS Recharter Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [lamps] Potential Topics for LAMPS Recharter Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)
- Re: [lamps] Potential Topics for LAMPS Recharter Tim Hollebeek
- Re: [lamps] Potential Topics for LAMPS Recharter Russ Housley
- [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Yoav Nir
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Eric Rescorla
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Stephen Farrell
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Tim Hollebeek
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Jim Schaad
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Salz, Rich
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Daniel Van Geest
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Daniel Van Geest
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter Daniel Van Geest