Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level trees and key generation of LMS.
Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Wed, 27 March 2019 09:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level trees and key generation of LMS.
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This was discussed briefly in the SUIT WG today, and it was observed that a small tree of providing 32 signatures is acceptable in many cases, and the last update can be reserved for installing a new trust anchor for a new tree. Russ > On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:03 AM, Dang, Quynh (Fed) <quynh.dang=40nist.gov@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > The only downside of 1 level tree is its key generation time comparing to multi-level trees. In situations ( such as a code signing application) where 1, 2 or 3 etc... hours of a key generation time is not a problem, then using a big 1 level tree seems better than using a multi-level tree. > > Therefore, some bigger height numbers for 1-level tree may be desired. > > Quynh. > From: Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) <sfluhrer@cisco.com <mailto:sfluhrer@cisco.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:20:05 AM > To: Dang, Quynh (Fed); SPASM > Subject: RE: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level trees and key generation of LMS. > > Irom: Spasm <spasm-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:spasm-bounces@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of Dang, Quynh (Fed) > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:11 AM > To: SPASM <spasm@ietf.org <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>> > Subject: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level trees and key generation of LMS. > > Hi all, > > Here is the attack I mentioned at the meeting today: https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/674/20180713:140821 <https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feprint.iacr.org%2F2018%2F674%2F20180713%3A140821&data=02%7C01%7Cquynh.dang%40nist.gov%7C17afe62f6ae74a858cbf08d6b1edc737%7C2ab5d82fd8fa4797a93e054655c61dec%7C1%7C0%7C636892032138187826&sdata=9u3pPjSd5ErMGIiBVoyV%2BjwwRyreeZJm4U7ONsQPU5w%3D&reserved=0>. > > This is a fault attack (that is, you try to make the signer miscompute something, and then use the miscomputed signature); a signer implementation could implement protections against this (of course, those protections are not free). > > I just looked at the LMS's draft, the single tree with height 25 ( 2^25 signatures) takes only 1.5 hours. > > Clarification on this: > The test used 15 cores (and so it used a total of circa 1 core-day) > This was done with a W=8 parameter set. This makes the signature shorter (1936 bytes in this case), however it does increase the key generation time; a W=4 parameter set would approximately double the signature size, while decreasing the key generation time by circa a factor of 8. > > > Regards, > Quynh. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Spasm mailing list > Spasm@ietf.org <mailto:Spasm@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>
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- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Jim Schaad
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Jim Schaad
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
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- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Tim Hollebeek
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Jim Schaad
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Tim Hollebeek
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Daniel Van Geest
- Re: [lamps] Side-channel attack on multi-level tr… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
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