Re: [lamps] Support for working on the lightweight CMP profile

"Fries, Steffen" <steffen.fries@siemens.com> Wed, 29 May 2019 06:14 UTC

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From: "Fries, Steffen" <steffen.fries@siemens.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, "spasm@ietf.org" <spasm@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [lamps] Support for working on the lightweight CMP profile
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Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
> Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) <pkampana@cisco.com> wrote:
>     > Sorry, for insisting. I still have the concern that by adopting this, IETF
>     > will continue the trend of endorsing different certificate management
>     > protocols and profiles (SCEP, CMPv2, CMC, EST) that mostly do the same
>     > things. Specifically for industrial automation we already have SCEP and EST
>     > in IE 61850/IEC 62351. OPC UA has its own SDP for the same purposes. Now, we
>     > want to add one more (CMP) in the mix for this vertical.
> 
> I agree with Panos.
> I don't really know why we need CMP, let alone a lightweight CMP.
> Plus we have a bunch of proprietary RESTful interfaces to CAs.
> 
> I have less of an objection to the IETF doing something, but I won't be reading/editing or implementing.
> 
> If anything, I'd like to remove features from the protocols we have to simplify them and focus them better.
That exactly is the intention of lightweight CMP. It intends to strip down functionality from an IETF defined protocol to have less requirements for interoperability for implementing devices. This lightweight approach should make it easier for others to adopt the already standardized functionality instead of defining proprietary approaches with a similar functionality. 

Best regards
Steffen