Re: [Speechsc] Question about Verification

Christian Groves <Christian.Groves@nteczone.com> Thu, 09 July 2009 00:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Question about Verification
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Hello,

Can anyone explain the apparent contradiction between the text and the 
syntax below?

Regards, Christian

Christian Groves wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've been reviewing the verification section of 
> draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-19 there appears to be some contradiction 
> between the text and the syntax. i.e.
>
> Section 11.5.2.3.  "Incremental" states:
>
>   The first "<voiceprint>" element MAY contain an "<incremental>"
>   element with the incremental scores of how well the last utterance
>   matched the voiceprint.
>
> However section 16.3.  "Verification Results Schema Definition" states:
> *  */*   <define name="restVoiceprintContent">*
>       <attribute name="id">
>         <data type="string"/>
>       </attribute>
>       <interleave>
>         <optional>
> *           <element name="incremental">                    <------- ???*
>             <ref name="restCommonContent"/>
>           </element>
>         </optional>
>        .../
>
> I don't know if I'm reading this correctly but to me section 11.5.2.3 
> doesn't say anything about incremental being used in subsequent 
> voices. So I would assume that it would not be part of the 
> restVoicePrintContent schema?
>
> Another example:
>
> Section 11.5.2.5.  "Utterance-Length"
>
>   This element MAY occur within either the "<incremental>" or
>   "<cumulative>" elements within the first "<voiceprint>" element.
> However section 16.3 states:
>  / *<define name="restCommonContent">  <----------------- ???*
>       <interleave>
>         <optional>
>           <element name="decision">
>             <ref name="decisionContent"/>
>           </element>
>         </optional>
>         <optional>
> *          <element name="utterance-length">   <-----------???*
>             <ref name="utterance-lengthContent"/>
>           </element>
>         </optional>/
>
> Again I don't know if I'm reading this correctly but the text for 
> utterance says its applicable for the first voiceprint but the schema 
> shows it only relevant for subsequent voiceprints???
>
> Another example is:
> Section 11.5.2.8.  "Adapted" which states:
>
>   This element is found within the "<voiceprint>" element within the
>   verification results.
>
> However 16.3 states:
> /*<define name="firstVoiceprintContent">*
>       <attribute name="id">
>         <data type="string"/>
>       </attribute>
>       <interleave>
>         <optional>
> *          <element name="adapted">*
>             <data type="boolean"/>
>           </element>/
> Again I'm confused as previous text says that certain elements are 
> applicable to the first voiceprint but the text does not state this 
> for the adapted element yet the schema shows it only belongs to the 
> first Voiceprint.
>
> Can anyone shed some slight on this?
>
> Regards, Christian
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