Re: [spring] SRv6 BGP based Overlay Services (draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07)

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From: "Aissaoui, Mustapha (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" <mustapha.aissaoui@nokia.com>
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Subject: Re: [spring] SRv6 BGP based Overlay Services (draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07)
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That is great. Thank you.

Mustapha.

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 11:08 AM
To: Aissaoui, Mustapha (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <mustapha.aissaoui@nokia.com>
Cc: spring@ietf.org; Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net>et>; bess@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services@ietf.org
Subject: RE: SRv6 BGP based Overlay Services (draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07)

< trimming list to mostly mailers >

Hi Mustapha,

I agree.

Also after seeing Shraddha's latest email, the coverage and details for the fallback mechanisms that she seems to be looking for is quite vast and better tackled in a separate document since this one has completed its WGLC. Some of those concepts are applicable for MPLS as well and not SRv6 specific.

We (authors) will work on some text proposal and get back to the WG next week.

Thanks,
Ketan

From: Aissaoui, Mustapha (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <mustapha.aissaoui@nokia.com<mailto:mustapha.aissaoui@nokia.com>>
Sent: 23 July 2021 19:20
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com<mailto:ketant@cisco.com>>; Rajesh M <mrajesh@juniper.net<mailto:mrajesh@juniper.net>>; Rajesh M <mrajesh@juniper.net<mailto:mrajesh@juniper.net>>; Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com<mailto:jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>>; gdawra.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:gdawra.ietf@gmail.com>; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil) <cfilsfil@cisco.com<mailto:cfilsfil@cisco.com>>; robert@raszuk.net<mailto:robert@raszuk.net>; bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com>
Cc: spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>; bgp@ans.net<mailto:bgp@ans.net>; Srihari Sangli <ssangli@juniper.net<mailto:ssangli@juniper.net>>; Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net<mailto:shraddha@juniper.net>>; bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: SRv6 BGP based Overlay Services (draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07)

Hi Ketan,
I believe it will be worth expanding the text in draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services to describe the two types of transport more consistently and along the lines of what you wrote below. Also, I would propose that we move away from terminology like best-effort service and instead just mention shortest path forwarding in base topology or in flex-algo topology.

Mustapha.

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 3:43 AM
To: Rajesh M <mrajesh@juniper.net<mailto:mrajesh@juniper.net>>; Rajesh M <mrajesh=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:mrajesh=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>; Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com<mailto:jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>>; gdawra.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:gdawra.ietf@gmail.com>; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil) <cfilsfil@cisco.com<mailto:cfilsfil@cisco.com>>; robert@raszuk.net<mailto:robert@raszuk.net>; bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com>
Cc: spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>; bgp@ans.net<mailto:bgp@ans.net>; Srihari Sangli <ssangli@juniper.net<mailto:ssangli@juniper.net>>; Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net<mailto:shraddha@juniper.net>>; bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [spring] SRv6 BGP based Overlay Services (draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07)

Hi Rajesh,

My apologies for the delay in my response. However, some of my co-authors and other WG members have already clarified this point. Let me try to summarize.

The draft covers two SRv6 based mechanisms for the transport of services between SRv6 PEs. (1) using SR Policy based steering (i.e. for service routes with Color Extended Communities) using the H.encap construct along with a list of SRv6 segments  and the other (2) using H.encap with just the SRv6 Service SID in the IPv6 DA.

As mentioned in the draft, it is required to verify the reachability of the SRv6 Service SID before the mechanism (2) can be used. This is an explicit clarification for verification of reachability. In an MPLS-VPN scenario, if the egress PE NH's IP route is reachable at the ingress PE but without an MPLS label, such a path cannot be used. This is semantically similar.

The mechanism (1) is different since the routing to the egress PE is via SR Policy and hence the requirement for verification of reachability of the SRv6 Service SID is not there.

There is no mandate for the setting of the NH since that is left to deployment design.

I hope this helps in addition to the various clarifications already provided by others.

Thanks,
Ketan

From: Rajesh M <mrajesh@juniper.net<mailto:mrajesh@juniper.net>>
Sent: 22 July 2021 12:09
To: Rajesh M <mrajesh=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:mrajesh=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>; Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com<mailto:jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>>; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com<mailto:ketant@cisco.com>>; gdawra.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:gdawra.ietf@gmail.com>; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil) <cfilsfil@cisco.com<mailto:cfilsfil@cisco.com>>; robert@raszuk.net<mailto:robert@raszuk.net>; bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com>
Cc: spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>; bgp@ans.net<mailto:bgp@ans.net>; Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net<mailto:shraddha@juniper.net>>; bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>; Srihari Sangli <ssangli@juniper.net<mailto:ssangli@juniper.net>>
Subject: RE: SRv6 BGP based Overlay Services (draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07)

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From: Rajesh M <mrajesh=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:mrajesh=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 7:28 PM
To: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com<mailto:jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>>; Rajesh M <mrajesh@juniper.net<mailto:mrajesh@juniper.net>>; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com<mailto:ketant@cisco.com>>; gdawra.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:gdawra.ietf@gmail.com>; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil) <cfilsfil@cisco.com<mailto:cfilsfil@cisco.com>>; robert@raszuk.net<mailto:robert@raszuk.net>; bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com>
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Subject: RE: SRv6 BGP based Overlay Services (draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07)

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Hi All,

For best effort service, flex algo - Resolve SRv6 Service SID for forwarding.
For SR-TE, CAR/CT - Resolve BGP next hop for forwarding.

There is no unification here, it's better to unify.
Any other solution is OK.

Thanks
Rajesh



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From: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com<mailto:jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 7:17 PM
To: Rajesh M <mrajesh@juniper.net<mailto:mrajesh@juniper.net>>; Rajesh M <mrajesh=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:mrajesh=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com<mailto:ketant@cisco.com>>; gdawra.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:gdawra.ietf@gmail.com>; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil) <cfilsfil@cisco.com<mailto:cfilsfil@cisco.com>>; robert@raszuk.net<mailto:robert@raszuk.net>; bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com>
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Subject: Re: SRv6 BGP based Overlay Services (draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07)

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Hi Rajesh,

The draft is written so that the next-hop address MAY be covered by the locator, but there are cases in which the next-hop address is not part of the locator prefix, and there are implementations already allowing that, so I don't agree the document should mandate what you are suggesting.

Thanks.
Jorge

From: Rajesh M <mrajesh@juniper.net<mailto:mrajesh@juniper.net>>
Date: Monday, July 19, 2021 at 3:24 PM
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Subject: RE: SRv6 BGP based Overlay Services (draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07)
Hi Authors,

Please respond.

Thanks
Rajesh



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From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of Rajesh M
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 4:36 PM
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Subject: [spring] SRv6 BGP based Overlay Services (draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07)

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Hi All,

As per this draft, this is how resolution must work.

1)For Non Intent service Route:
if BGP next hop is not reachable return.
Resolve SRv6 Service SID for forwarding.

2)For Intent service Route (IGP Flex-Algo first then BGP CAR then SR Policy):
BGP next hop is not reachable return.
Resolve SRv6 Service SID for forwarding(To find IGP flex algo).if successfully resolves then return.
Resolve BGP next hop for forwarding (in case above is not success).


Using Service SID (overlay),for resolution is definitely not recommended.

Instead in case of srv6, we always resolve on BGP nexthop. This will be in line with BGP legacy.
In case of best effort/flex algo we must mandate user to set corresponding locator as BGP nexthop for srv6 routes.
I think this is a reasonable mandate.

Thanks
Rajesh


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