Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter
Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> Fri, 01 June 2018 19:35 UTC
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From: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, Rob Shakir <robjs=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>
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Hi Rob, My suggestions (& comments) are inserted below. Linda From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Tantsura Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 11:44 AM To: Rob Shakir <robjs=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Hi Rob, Looks good, few additions, please see inline Cheers, Jeff From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf..org<mailto:spring-bounces@ietf..org>> on behalf of Rob Shakir <robjs=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:robjs=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> Date: Friday, June 1, 2018 at 09:05 To: SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>> Subject: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Hi SPRING, After the discussions on the list and in London relating to the charter, Bruno and I have been working to propose a new charter for the WG with Martin, and the other routing ADs. The text for this suggested charter is below. We would like to solicit WG feedback on the charter text prior to Martin taking to the IESG. We'd like to try and get the charter agreed prior to IETF 102 in Montréal. The Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG (SPRING) Working Group is the home of Segment Routing (SR) using MPLS (SR-MPLS) and IPv6 (SRv6). [jeff] I’d add “dataplanes” SPRING WG serves as a forum to discuss SPRING networks operations, define new applications, and specify extensions of Segment Routing technologies. [Linda] Does the “new applications” in the sentence above refer to the “Use cases” for SPRING? Is the “Extensions” being discussed in SPRING also include the “extensions” to other protocols? The SPRING WG defines procedures that allow a node to steer a packet through an SR Policy instantiated as an ordered list of instructions called segments and without the need for per-path state information to be held at transit nodes. Full explicit control (through loose or strict path specification) can be achieved in a network comprising only SPRING nodes, however SPRING nodes must inter-operate through loose routing in existing networks and may find it advantageous to use loose routing for other network applications. The scope of the SPRING WG work includes both single Autonomous System (AS) and multi-AS environments. Segment Routing operates within a trusted domain; as described in the architecture, a node imposing a segment list is assumed to be allowed to do so. Nonetheless, the SPRING WG must strive to identify and address security considerations brought up by the technologies it defines.. The technologies SPRING WG defines may be applicable to both centralised and distributed path computation. SPRING WG should avoid modification to existing data planes that would make them incompatible with existing deployments. Where possible, existing control and management plane protocols must be used within existing architectures to implement the SPRING function. Any modification of - or extension to - existing architectures, data planes, or control or management plane protocols should be carried out in the WGs responsible for the architecture, data plane, or control or management plane protocol being modified and in coordination with the SPRING WG, but may be done in SPRING WG after agreement with all the relevant WG chairs and responsible Area Directors. The SPRING WG will manage its specific work items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director. The work-items of the SPRING WG include functional specifications for: o Segment Routing policies and the associated steering and traffic engineering mechanisms. o Source-routed stateless service chaining using SR-MPLS and SRv6 dataplanes. [Linda] o Source-routed stateless SD-WAN paths traversing through SR domain (i.e. SR as part of SD-WAN’s underlay network) o SRv6 network programming for the underlay networks and overlay services, and including data plane behavior and functions associated with SIDs o Operation, Administration and Management (OAM), and traffic accounting in networks with SR-MPLS and SRv6 data planes in the case where SR introduces specificities compared to MPLS or IPv6 technologies. o Performance Management (PM) and monitoring in networks with SR-MPLS and SRv6 data planes in the case where SR introduces specificities compared to MPLS or IPv6 technologies. o The inter-working between SRv6 and SR-MPLS. [Linda] o The inter-working between SR and legacy networks (which is far more likely than SRv6 & SR-MPLS interworking) o Using SR [jeff] SR conveyed metadata perhaps? Think of BSID x-connect into another layer as the mechanism to identify sets of resources in networks with SR-MPLS and SRv6 dataplanes. Any of the above may require architectural extensions. The work-items of SPRING WG also include: o Specification of management models (YANG) for Segment Routing applications, services and networks with SR-MPLS and SRv6 dataplanes. The SPRING WG will coordinate and collaborate with other WGs as needed. Specific expected interactions include (but may not be limited to): * mpls on the MPLS dataplane and OAM extensions, * 6man on the IPv6 dataplane for SR and associated OAM extensions * lsr on OSPF and IS-IS extensions to flood SPRING-related information [jeff] in RIFT we plan to support SR as well * idr for BGP extensions * bess for VPN control plane * pce on extensions to communicate with an external entity to compute and program SPRING paths * teas on generic traffic engineering architecture [jeff] rtgwg for fast convergence related topics Please comment on the contents of the charter text on the list. Thanks, Bruno & Rob _______________________________________________ spring mailing list spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring
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- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Alexander Vainshtein
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- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Stewart Bryant
- Re: [spring] 答复: Updating the SPRING WG Charter Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Voyer, Daniel
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- Re: [spring] 答复: Updating the SPRING WG Charter Rob Shakir
- Re: [spring] 答复: Updating the SPRING WG Charter Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Loa Andersson
- [spring] 答复: Updating the SPRING WG Charter Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter bruno.decraene
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Voyer, Daniel
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Rob Shakir
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter David Allan I
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Rob Shakir
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Robert Raszuk
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- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Alexander Vainshtein
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- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Linda Dunbar
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter bruno.decraene
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Linda Dunbar
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Linda Dunbar
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter bruno.decraene
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter bruno.decraene
- [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Rob Shakir
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter Linda Dunbar
- Re: [spring] Updating the SPRING WG Charter James N Guichard
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