Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability
Joel Halpern <jmh.direct@joelhalpern.com> Wed, 10 August 2022 12:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability
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Thank you Dhruv for reading and commenting on the policy. While I think the implementation and interoperability section will apply to even most informational documents, I am happy to allow the option of "does not apply" to cover those cases when it truly doesn't. Yours, Joel On 8/10/2022 6:17 AM, Dhruv Dhody wrote: > Hi Joel, > > One suggestion, apart from "none to report" it might be a good idea to > also have a "not applicable" option for the WG's informational and > architectural documents to clearly distinguish between the the case of > no implementation exist v/s applicable. > > Thanks! > Dhruv > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 8:14 PM Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote: > > SPRING WG: > > At the suggestion of our AD, the WG Chairs have been discussing > whether it would be helpful to be more explicit, in I-Ds and RFCs > we produce, about the announced implementations and known > interoperability tests that have occurred. If the WG agrees, we > would like to institute and post on the WG wiki the following > policy. The period for discussion and comment runs until > 9-Sept-2022, to allow for folks who are on summer break: > > All I-Ds that reach WG last call shall have an implementation > section based on, but somewhat more than, that described in RFC > 7942 (BCP 205,*Improving Awareness of Running Code: The > Implementation Status Section*). Authors are asked to collect > information about implementations and include what they can find > out when that information is available for public disclosure. > Documents will not be blocked from publication if the authors fill > in the section as "none report" when they have made an effort to > get information and not been able to. > > There are a couple of important additions to what is called for in > RFC 7942. We have confirmed with leadership that these changes > are acceptable in terms of IETF process: > > 1) We will retain the implementation status section when the draft > is published as an RFC. In order to do so, the section will begin > with "this is the implementation status as reported to the > document editors as of <date>" > > 2) Each implementation description MUST include either a statement > that all MUST clauses in the draft / RFC are implemented, or a > statement as to which ones are not implemented. > > 3) each implementation description may include reports of what > optional elements of the draft / RFC are implemented. > > Reports of interoperabiity testing are strongly encouraged. > Including the reports in the document is preferred. This may > include a reference to longer and more detailed testing reports > available elsewhere. If there are no reports of interoperability > tests, then the section MUST state that no such reports were received. > > Yours, > > Bruno, Jim, and Joel > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring >
- [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementat… Joel Halpern
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Dhruv Dhody
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Joel Halpern
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Joel Halpern
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Joel Halpern
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Joel Halpern
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Joel Halpern
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Joel Halpern
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Ketan Talaulikar
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Joel Halpern
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Joel Halpern
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Ketan Talaulikar
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Ketan Talaulikar
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Boris Hassanov
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting impleme… Joel Halpern