Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law - non-technical side note

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Fri, 06 September 2019 08:57 UTC

Return-Path: <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D50D12006E; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 01:57:46 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.631
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.631 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5-m3bSK5XQTl; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 01:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from sainfoin-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BD8A12001E; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 01:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id x868vd8P030130; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 10:57:39 +0200
Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 27BDB204E28; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 10:57:39 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from muguet1-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet1-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.12]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C62200E21; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 10:57:39 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from [10.8.35.150] (is154594.intra.cea.fr [10.8.35.150]) by muguet1-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id x868vck2010311; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 10:57:38 +0200
To: Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org>, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
Cc: Robert Raszuk <rraszuk@gmail.com>, 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org>, "spring@ietf.org" <spring@ietf.org>
References: <ca6e7a10-1b84-445f-053d-8a666ab4ec90@si6networks.com> <3D8725E7-EAA3-4615-ABA2-FFA53D2F1B14@employees.org>
From: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d81ea605-53d7-61d8-f517-5d9cf1e42339@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 10:57:38 +0200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <3D8725E7-EAA3-4615-ABA2-FFA53D2F1B14@employees.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Language: fr
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/UaqrJHkB7juoSVQHd18Czdig3NY>
Subject: Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law - non-technical side note
X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" <spring.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spring>, <mailto:spring-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spring/>
List-Post: <mailto:spring@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spring-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring>, <mailto:spring-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 08:57:46 -0000

This is a non-technical side note about the Spirit and Letter of the Law
in IPv6 WG.

In these discussions about IPv6 like routing header, insertion,
mutability, 64bit, limited domains, multihoming, smart end dumb network,
and numerous other 'tussles', one is supposed to take a side among one
of those two:

- maintain rock solid principles, continue the tradition, keep it up
working as it was designed to and that demonstrated its validity on very
large scale.

- break away from tradition, foster innovation, things will work anyways
because humans engineer them and market regulates them.

Only deep convictions about one of those two sides can make IPv6
deployment and development progress.

On my side, I cant make have such deep convictions.

Alex

Le 05/09/2019 à 23:58, Ole Troan a écrit :
> Fernando,
> 
> 
>> On 5 Sep 2019, at 21:54, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 5/9/19 22:30, Ole Troan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On 5 Sep 2019, at 21:03, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We have wasted way too much time and energy with all the methafores and
>>>> curious interpretations of standards by folks pushing and/or supporting
>>>> EH insertion, really.
>>>
>>> Pot calling kettle black?
>>
>> Not really.
>>
>> Since this whole EH-insertion debate started, it has all been about
>> pushing it forward no matter what.
>>
>> The spec is clear. If you want to change it, make a strong case for it.
>> BUt do not try to circumvent the IETF consensus on the topic.
> 
> Straw man attack.
> 
> I think you have repeatedly made your point.
> 
> O.
>