Re: [spring] [**EXTERNAL**] Re: SPRING - rechartering discussion

["Dongjie (Jimmy)" <[e-mail]>]

Hi all,

I totally agree with Mach, Jeff and others that there is work to be done in OAM as there are more requirements to use SR for both existing and emerging applications.

SR-TE is another important area. The current SR-TE mainly focuses on steering traffic to particular SR paths, while TE can have a broader scope than that, for example, how to do resource partitioning (reservation) with SR needs to be discussed.  Actually this is already mentioned in the current charter:

o Some types of network virtualization, including multi-
topology networks and the partitioning of network
resources for VPNs

I’d agree with Dan that SR-TE is different from RSVP-TE, while as Himanshu said, it could be beneficial to leverage the TE expertise from TEAS.

Best regards,
Jie

From: spring [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Voyer, Daniel
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Subject: Re: [spring] [**EXTERNAL**] Re: SPRING - rechartering discussion

[DV] see inlines

From: spring <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> on behalf of "Shah, Himanshu" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Date: Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 9:23 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>, Daniel Bernier <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>, Bruno Decraene <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
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Subject: Re: [spring] [**EXTERNAL**] Re: SPRING - rechartering discussion

Agree with Jeff, without harping on all the good reasons already stated for SPRING WG charter extensions,
I would think that it would be beneficial to leverage TE expertise from TEAS WG to
progress SR-TE there for a cohesive, uniform solution for all tunneling schemes.

[DV] 1- SRTE is NOT a tunnel. Labels are signals straight in the IGP, as known. This is why the word “policy” was introduce with SRTE – “SRTE Policy”.
[DV] 2- According to TEAS WG charter - https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/teas/about/:
1. Definition of additional abstract service, link, and path
properties such as jitter, delay, and diversity. Extensions
to IGPs to advertise these properties, and extensions to
RSVP-TE to request and to accumulate these properties.

[DV] 3- also notice in the SPRING Charter - https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/spring/about/:
o Some types of network virtualization, including multi-
topology networks and the partitioning of network
resources for VPNs
o Network path and node protection such as fast re-route
o Network programmability
o New OAM techniques
o Simplification and reduction of network signalling
components
o Load balancing and traffic engineering
[DV] Hence I believe “SRTE policy” is a key component of the SR Architecture and should pursued as part as the Architecture definition milestone of the SPRING WG.

Dan

IMHO..

Thanks,
Himanshu
From: spring <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> on behalf of Jeff Tantsura <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Date: Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 3:26 PM
To: "Bernier, Daniel" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc: Alvaro Retana <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: [spring] SPRING - rechartering discussion

Hi,

I'm not going to repeat all the valid reasons to continue mentioned beforehand.
There's definitely work to be done in architecture and O&M areas as well as co-ordination of various activities across IETF.

Cheers,
Jeff
On 3/18/18, 13:23, "spring on behalf of Bernier, Daniel" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> on behalf of [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

    Hi,

    I echo the need to continue the SPRING work on service-chaining. There is a growing interest to have a mechanism that operates at the forwarding plane level using source routing as an alternative to a dedicated service overlay. This will surely generate other related work such as automated service discovery, inter-domain chaining policies, parallelism versus sequential chaining, various control-plane implementations, etc.

    Secondly, since there is a tight relation to SR chaining and TE policies, I believe there will is a lot of opportunities related to Path Awareness which is currently running in IRTF. Opportunities like, intent translation to SR policies, Policy requests or announcements between domains and host (probably app) level TE policy requests (e.g. how can an app receive a proper policy based on its requirements) ?

    My humble operator 0.02 cents.

    Daniel Bernier | Bell Canada
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    Subject: [spring] SPRING - rechartering discussion

    Hello WG,

    now that nearly all the core documents are in the hands of IESG or beyond, we think it is time to (re)discuss rechartering.
    We brought up that question few meetings ago and the feedback, at that  time, was that the WG at least needs to be maintained to discuss the extensions following deployment feedback.

    But we need also identify technical directions.

    In order to initiate the discussion we are proposing some high level items but we'd like to make clear a few points before:
     * these are only proposals; what might end-up as the next steps for SPRING will be what the WG is willing to work on (which includes having cycles for that).
     * what the WG might be rechartered to do is not necessarily limited to that; so other proposals are welcome.

     So, we thought of the following:

     * general architectural work / extensions
     there are still few items on our plate and we expect that some might need to be progressed, and we should maybe allow for others to come.

     * service chaining
     last meeting there were proposals discussed in SPRING to realize some form of service chaining. any work in that space would require close coordination with SFC and maybe other WG.

     * yang
     we are a bit behind here and there is definitely work to do.


    So please comment on these and propose additional items.

    We'll likely have a dedicated slot in London but we'd like to progress before that.

    Thank you,
    --Martin, Rob, Bruno

     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: Martin Vigoureux [mailto:[e-mail]]
     > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:25 PM
     > To: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
     > Cc: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; Alvaro Retana (aretana)
     > Subject: Next steps for SPRING?
     >
     > WG,
     >
     > in the session we have opened the discussion on the future of the WG,
     > putting all options on the table (recharter/close/sleep).
     > As a foreword, we still have few WG Documents that we need to -and will-
     > push towards IESG (and a greater number that need to reach RFC status),
     > but with those we'll have reached most if not all of our milestones,
     > thus the question on what's next.
     >
     > So, we think we have heard during the session that closing wasn't
     > desired and one reason for that is to have a home to share and discuss
     > deployment considerations as the technology gets deployed.
     > There are also a few individual documents knocking at the door, and some
     > of them were presented during the session.
     >
     > To reach out to everyone, we are thus asking the question on the list.
     > We would like to hear from you all what the working group should be
     > focussing on.
     >
     > Note, the expectation is that future items should not be use-cases but
     > rather be technology extensions/evolutions.
     >
     > Thank you
     >
     > Martin & Bruno

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