Re: [spring] A technical concern regarding draft-schmutzer-spring-cs-sr-policy-00

["Christian Schmutzer (cschmutz)" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Sasha,

Many thanks for reviewing draft-schmutzer-pce-cs-sr-policy (draft-schmutzer-spring-cs-sr-policy) and sharing your input / concerns. Let me try to address them.

CS-SR policies don’t require additional unprotected adj-SIDs. The unprotected adj-SID part of the two adj-SIDs you mentioned typically being present per link in a network does suffice.

Further the draft does not assume bandwidth guarantees for those unprotected adj-SIDs. Bandwidth is managed by the PCE at a link level and bandwidth guarantees are achieved by ensuring that the total amount of bandwidth requested by all candidate-paths going via a link is kept below the reservable maximum bandwidth defined.

To ensure a link is never congested by just CS-SR traffic, end-to-end path-protection and restoration is used. This ensures traffic does only flow along a path (working, protect or restore) for which bandwidth admission control has been done during path establishment.

You are correct, mechanisms such as TI-LFA may lead to congestion, but the assumption is that everything not running over CS-SR, has no bandwidth guarantee, is of lower priority and can undergo packet drops during DiffServ PHB processing.

There are many ways to fulfil those PHB processing requirements. One way is to mark CS-SR policy traffic with a unique EXP/DSCP and map it into a dedicated priority queue. CS-SR traffic may share a EXP/DSCP and/or queue with other traffic if the operate is certain that the queue will never be congested (i.e. the non CS-SR traffic is important but has very low volume and the queue’s bandwidth is over-provisioned to be enough for CS-SR and non CS-SR traffic together)

I will take the action on thinking about how some more / better text could be added to the draft without being to specific to limit deployment choices.

Hopefully the above does provide a bit more clarity. I am happy to discuss more, fyi I will present the draft in the SPRING WG session, but will be attending IETF114 online only.

Regards
Christian


On 24.07.2022, at 19:02, Alexander Vainshtein <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

Hi all,
I would like to clarify that, from my POV, my technical concerns about draft-schmutzer-pce-sr-cs-routing-policies<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-schmutzer-pce-cs-sr-policy-02> presented in my email dated 11-Jul-22<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/ctrAx6JFaNwLhMCQB5QUdBCR7B8/> fully apply to this draft.

Specifically, the authors do not define any mechanisms that would prevent possible usage of unprotected Adj-SIDs used in the configuration of the candidate paths of CR-CS policies from being also used by such well-known and widely deployed mechanisms as TI-LFA and Segment Routing Microloop Avoidance.  As a consequence, the “strict BW guarantees”  that are expected of SR-CS policies would be violated every time one of these mechanisms would result in some “regular” traffic being sent via the paths defined by such mechanisms.

Even if such mechanisms were defined in a future version of  draft-schmutzer-spring-cs-sr-policy, a retrofit of existing implementations of TI-LFA and/or SR Microloop Avoidance would be required.

I understand the motivation for CR-SC Policies, but I strongly suspect that SR cannot be used as a replacement for MPLS-TP when it comes to BW guarantees.

Regards,
Sasha

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