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Re: [Spud] SPUD Scope?

Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> Mon, 08 June 2015 14:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Spud] SPUD Scope?
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Hi Mirja--

On Mon 2015-06-08 03:57:28 -0400, Mirja Kühlewind wrote:
> It’s not the different network providers that need different
> information but you may want to provide different information about
> different ‚kind‘ of services so that the provider might be able to
> treat your traffic more appropriately (which effectively can provide
> you a better service as well as save network resources). However, a
> user might choose to not reveal this information and only get the
> default treatment which might or might not be good enough (whatever
> ‚good‘ means here). And here there might actually be differences
> between the providers (and the contract that the user made with its
> provider).

We've been talking about generic middleboxes so far, and this is the
Internet; almost by definition there will be middleboxes that have no
contracts with the user.  It's quite likely for any given path between
two peers that there will be *no* middleboxes on the path that actually
have a contractual relationship with either peer.

     --dkg

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