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Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft-hildebrand-spud-prototype-02.txt

"Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" <jhildebr@cisco.com> Tue, 10 March 2015 20:52 UTC

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From: "Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" <jhildebr@cisco.com>
To: Patrick McManus <mcmanus@ducksong.com>, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft-hildebrand-spud-prototype-02.txt
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On 3/10/15, 2:18 PM, "Patrick McManus" <mcmanus@ducksong.com> wrote:

>"want" is such a strong word :) I'm just brainstorming.
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>There is a case where L doesn't want to be part of the flow after Z-15 is selected, but obviously it needs to be in a TCP scenario if for no other reason than to forward the ack traffic to Z-15 - the fact that it continues to be involved
> is really an artifact of the protocol - L isn't a typical on path middlebox; but spuds is still interesting here for its interaction with something like a client side NAT. This is an ordered flow (a tube?) with 3 end points.

I could imagine L sending a path declaration that allows Z-15 to take over, basically an in-flight hand-off.  We would have to get that protocol correct early on in the process so that everyone implements it, though.

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Joe Hildebrand

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