Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hildebrand-spud-prototype-02.txt
Patrick McManus <mcmanus@ducksong.com> Wed, 11 March 2015 14:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for
draft-hildebrand-spud-prototype-02.txt
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Brian Trammell <ietf@trammell.ch> wrote: > > Perhaps we can apply the question that led to the separation of TCP and IP > in the first place: does the path need to see it / can the path do > something universally useful with it? Put it in SPUD. Is it end-to-end? > Stick it above SPUD, encrypt it, and hide the key from the path. > > I like that as a guiding principle > Put that way, session IDs binding flows together seem to me to be an > end-to-end thing. But of course different situations might have different > requirements. > > I feel like the sticky part here is that middle boxes on the paths are playing a role here where the information can be useful.. in particular without this information they aren't able to route e2e based on just 5 tuple because of the nat/firewall translations they do.
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Brian Trammell
- [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft-hil… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Brian Trammell
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Brian Trammell
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- [Spud] Extensibility (wa New Version Notification… Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Szilveszter Nadas
- Re: [Spud] Extensibility (wa New Version Notifica… Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: [Spud] Extensibility (wa New Version Notifica… Szilveszter Nadas
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Patrick McManus
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Ken Calvert
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Pal Martinsen (palmarti)
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Spud] Extensibility (wa New Version Notifica… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Spud] Extensibility (wa New Version Notifica… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Patrick McManus
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Brian Trammell
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Patrick McManus
- Re: [Spud] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Philipp S. Schmidt
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Brian Trammell
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-hil… Patrick McManus