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Re: [Spud] Bare-minimum PLUS (was Re: Thoughts on the privacy concerns expressed at the BoF)

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Fri, 29 July 2016 12:18 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Spud] Bare-minimum PLUS (was Re: Thoughts on the privacy concerns expressed at the BoF)
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Hi Tom,

Something that did not get brought up at the BOF is nagging at me...


On 7/28/16 8:17 PM, Tom Herbert wrote:
> The abstraction is only useful up to the point that networks preserve
> the model. If the network breaks the model in ad hoc ways that forces
> the application to try to compensate with more ad hoc mechanisms or
> just stop innovating altogether as we see happened with protocol
> ossification.

You write that as if it's a bad thing ;-)

Some amount of protocol ossification is a GOOD thing.  In particular,
the calling interface for transports needs to be stable or source code
will have no shelf life.  The fact that TCP's calling interface has been
SO stable for SO long has meant that a large code base did not require
substantial maintenance just to keep doing the same thing it was
doing.   I see this as an exercise to determine what needs ossification
and what does not, and there are extreme positions at both ends.

Eliot

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