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Re: [Spud] updated draft PLUS charter, rev. 1 June

Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Wed, 08 June 2016 22:17 UTC

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On 6/8/2016 3:38 AM, Brian Trammell wrote:
> So the situation with IPv6 EH seems to be slightly worse than the situation with UDP, probably harder to diagnose at runtime, and requires kernel support. So while I agree this is architecturally cleaner, I'm skeptical that it's as deployable as a UDP encapsulation-based approach.
It'd useful to consider the impact of current non-compliant systems on
new approaches, but not to be severely limited by them.

Nothing is universally deployable except HTTP in TCP, and we really
don't need to be reinventing the Internet inside HTTP.

Joe

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