Re: [Spud] updated draft PLUS charter, rev. 1 June

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Subject: Re: [Spud] updated draft PLUS charter, rev. 1 June
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On Monday, June 13, 2016, Szilveszter Nadas <Szilveszter.Nadas@ericsson.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> > It would be useful if whatever comes out of an eventual PLUS working
> group
> > could be implemented either over UDP or IPv6 EH, since the lack of
> access to
> > EH problem is simply a matter of changing APIs. But I'm not convinced
> that's a
> > hard requirement.
>
> Is a separate protocol number for SPUD also an option? Then the happy
> eyeball mechanism used could also consider that.
>
> Cheers,
> Sz.
>
>
All my concerns with spud and quic would be solved by using a new protocol
number since it would allow for the network to, at scale, identify good
spud/quic traffic from the known bad  udp ddos mess

This network operator concern has been repeatedly ignored since it
is easier to access udp in userspace.

This conflict will not end well if not addressed

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