Re: [Spud] No. Operators don't need SPUD for mobile network management

Mikael Abrahamsson <> Thu, 21 July 2016 15:15 UTC

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On Thu, 21 Jul 2016, Frode Kileng wrote:

> I'm not a native English speaker and I'm sorry if I was not clear enough 
> in my initial e-mail. I was talking about existing operational practices 
> hindered by end-to-end encryption and that PLUS can bring back (i.e. 
> referring to a statement today that "mobile operators need PLUS").

If all traffic is IPSEC encrypted and the SYN flag is no longer available 
to network operators, they can't do what I described. They can't do it 
either with various UDP protocols that people are now developing.

If SPUD comes with flags that say "this is a connection establishment 
packet" (SYN-like) and another flag that matches ACK, then middle boxes 
can track connection establishment for all traffic based on SPUD, without 
needing to know anything more about the traffic. This is the functionality 
I'm talking about.

Mikael Abrahamsson    email: