Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in the Network Layer
Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Fri, 10 July 2015 17:31 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in the Network Layer
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Hi, Tom, On 7/10/2015 9:19 AM, Tom Herbert wrote: > This "new network layer" breaks down at fragmentation. Only the first > fragment carries port numbers and the embedded network layer > information in the payload. Other fragments will carry neither, but > still can carry IP options, DSCP, TTL, ECN marking, flow labels in > IPv6. Right. Which goes to the point that port numbers are NOT part of the network layer. Those who want to filter on port numbers are operating network devices that act on behalf of endpoints - which is fine, but also means they really ought to be reassembling the network-layer fragments. I.e., the benefit of port filtering needs to come with the work of reassembly. Or, "with great (filtering) power, comes great (don't break the Internet) responsibility". > An alternate possibility would be to embed IP options within UDP. That would be a tunnel, and you might look at GUE. However, you'd have the problem of the relationship of the inner and outer options and how to maintain them as consistent if they're related. Joe
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- Re: [Spud] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Spud] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Smith, Kevin, (R&D) Vodafone Group
- Re: [Spud] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Szilveszter Nadas
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- [Spud] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Youjianjie
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-kue… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-kue… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-kue… Ken Calvert
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-kue… Brian Trammell
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-kue… Joe Touch
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-kue… Joe Touch
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-kue… Brian Trammell
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-kue… Joe Touch
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-kue… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-kue… Joe Touch
- [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in the N… Brian Trammell
- Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in t… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in t… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in t… Joe Touch
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- Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in t… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in t… Joe Touch
- Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in t… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in t… Joe Touch
- Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in t… Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in t… Tom Herbert
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- Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in t… Joe Touch
- Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in t… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Spud] Putting Network-Layer Information in t… Joe Touch
- [Spud] a UDP option area Joe Touch