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Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Simon Tatham writes: > A major purpose of this WG is to publish documents specifying things > that have been deployed in practice for many years, so that people > wanting to interoperate with existing implementations can find proper > documentation of how to do it. It does not do that, or more exactly it does even more. My understanding is that the existing implementations use "ssh-rsa-cert-v01@openssh.com" name not the "ssh-rsa-cert" name. If we are just documenting the existing protocol, we should just do that and keep the @openssh.com namespace intact so we do get interoperability with the existing implementations. If we are defining new format "ssh-rsa-cert" then the specification should be open for modifications and discussion whether it is needed or not. My proposal is to just do the first thing, i.e., document the existing "ssh-rsa-cert-v01@openssh.com" format and keep those names. -- kivinen@iki.fi