[Ssh] poll on "ok to implement" SHOULD/MAY for ntru draft

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Hi all,

As previously stated we'd like to see if we can get a
better gauge of WG participant thoughts on the question
of the value for the "OK to implement" field in the
IANA registry [1] for the sntrup761x25519-sha512 hybrid
kex, so we'd like to ask again.

The choices that are in play are:

- The OK to implement field ought be MAY

or,

- The OK to implement field ought be SHOULD


Please choose one of the above options, following the
guidance below:

- If you already expressed an opinion, please do reply
again as some people's opinions may have changed
- If you didn't express an opinion before, and have been
active in the WG, please do chime in now
- If we get a ton of new participants jumping in who've
not previously been involved in the WG that may well
muddy the waters more, so if you're in that position please
also justify your opinion, and if possible, say why you
hadn't previously commented on the WGLC
- Please keep to just this MAY/SHOULD topic for just this
draft when replying - if you want to make other points
(e.g. asking for a more general consensus call) please
start a separate thread

Please reply within 1 week from now, before the end of
March 6th (anywhere on Earth).

Thanks,
J&S

[1] https://www.iana.org/assignments/ssh-parameters/ssh-parameters.xhtml