Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's the Network, Stupid
Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Tue, 22 December 2015 17:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's the Network, Stupid
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VPNs often have a lot of baggage, notably that an end system can belong to only one at a time. Slices have the baggage that a process can belong to only one slice at a time. I don't know if we strictly need a new term - virtual networks seems fine to me (which, IMO, are synonymous with overlays) - but VPNs of all types and slices have this baggage that is useful to avoid. Joe On 12/22/2015 8:57 AM, Dino Farinacci wrote: > Why does yet another term need to be defined for what has been traditionally called a multi-tenant VPN. > > Dino > >> On Dec 21, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/17/2015 9:49 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: >>> I strongly support the concept of network slicing for Applications or IoT networks. >> >> FWIW, I do not - in specific, I support the notion of per-service >> overlays, but would not call them "slices". >> >> Slices are an artifact of an OS-view of the network. It's a network >> partitioning model that considers cross-overlay interaction only as a >> violation of the model itself. >> >> We should be careful to consider that networks end at network interfaces >> and network interface names, not OS partitions - and OS partitions are >> the baggage that comes with the term "slice". >> >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 5gangip mailing list >> 5gangip@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/5gangip >
- [Stackevo-discuss] 5G: It's the Network, Stupid Dirk Kutscher
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Dirk Kutscher
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Dirk Kutscher
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Michael Welzl
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Dirk Kutscher
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Michael Welzl
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Dirk Kutscher
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Jon Crowcroft
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Nishanth Sastry
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … David Michael Taht
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Nishanth Sastry
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Joe Touch
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Joe Touch
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Networ… Theodore V Faber
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Joe Touch
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Jon Crowcroft
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Bill Gage
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Bill Gage
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] 5G: It's the Net… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Jon Crowcroft
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
- Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [5gangip] [gaia] 5G: It's … Dirk Kutscher