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Re: [Stackevo] an agenda for Wednesday's meeting

Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com> Mon, 25 March 2019 14:14 UTC

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From: Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com>
To: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>, "Brian Trammell (IETF)" <ietf@trammell.ch>
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Subject: Re: [Stackevo] an agenda for Wednesday's meeting
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I would like 5 minutes or so to discuss an architectural issue discussed in section 4 of my latest draft:
draft-thaler-iftype-reg-01.   Specifically about stack evolution of the stack _below_ layer 3 (which taking
tunnels into account might also involve layers above layer 3).

I'll present the draft in intarea on Thursday.

Dave

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From: Stackevo <stackevo-bounces@iab.org> On Behalf Of Eliot Lear
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To: Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch>
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Subject: Re: [Stackevo] an agenda for Wednesday's meeting

Hi Brian,

> On 25 Mar 2019, at 15:04, Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch> wrote:
> 
> "To what extent is compute a part of the current Internet architecture, and to what extent are we poorly served by not treating it as such?". This is possibly a less intractable rephrasing of the "what is an endpoint?" question. The end-to-end model we use for the Internet really only applies up to a front-end load balancer for an increasing proportion of Internet traffic. To borrow a phrase from the past, everything on the other side of that LB is a catanet, albeit one that still kinda-mostly runs some transport/application stack atop IP.
> 
> What implications does this development (which has basically already happened with the migration of everything on the server-side not already on a CDN into one or more public clouds) have for the evolution of the stack and the architecture?
> 
> We could probably spend unbounded time on the question above; I'd like to know if anyone has other questions to address?

I believe we looked at something similar to this some time ago, and it revolved around the question, “what is an endpoint?”  We never really did answer that question and I do think it is worthy of some review from time to time, because our understanding of it evolves over time.

Eliot
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