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Re: [Stackevo] draft-thomson-use-it-or-lose-it

Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 17 April 2018 13:20 UTC

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From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 06:19:57 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Stackevo] draft-thomson-use-it-or-lose-it
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On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:12 AM, Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch>
wrote:

>
>
> > On 17 Apr 2018, at 15:07, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:33 AM, Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I like the barnacles-on-hulls image invoked by "protocols that deploy
> without active measures against intermediation can accrue middleboxes that
> depend on certain aspects of the protocol" (section 2.2. para 3), but
> "middlebox accrual" is a little imprecise here. How about: "Protocols
> deployed without active measures against intermediation will tend to become
> intermediated over time, as middleboxes are deployed to perform some
> function (actual or perceived) on their traffic"?
> >
> >
> > I like the image, but I worry about the lack of agency in "may accrue"
> seems like we're dancing around the issue.  There are specific folks who
> deploy these for specific purposes, and we might want to treat them as
> actors here.
>
>
> "...as network operators deploy middleboxes to perform..."?
>
> Works for me.

Ted


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