[stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow this kind of stuff.
Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> Wed, 08 October 2025 00:24 UTC
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In my day job, I see a lot of robocalls coming through the LEC local switches as TDM, as local re-origination with spoofed ANI. I would also love to sign Rich Call Data with my SPC token and not have wireless carriers discard this data. If I provide the information about my customer, I am unsure why I need to pay someone else to sign this information. _____________ Roman Shpount On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 8:11 PM Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us> wrote: > > > It wont . You mean the legacy TDM/SS7 crap…this is the beginning of > mandating all SIP in the US realtime US voice network as the British have > done. > > > > I would not want to own a Tandem Access network. > > > > The US industry is pretty clear on this. You only need to read the FCC > 17-97 docket at the FCC ECFS website to understand where the players > actually are. > > > > This again is my day job. > > > > > > Richard Shockey > > Shockey Consulting LLC > > Chairman of the Board SIP Forum > > www.shockey.us > > www.sipforum.org > > richard<at>shockey.us > > Skype-Linkedin-Facebook –Twitter rshockey101 > > PSTN +1 703-593-2683 > > > > > > *From: *Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> > *Date: *Tuesday, October 7, 2025 at 7:37 PM > *To: *Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us> > *Cc: *IETF STIR Mail List <stir@ietf.org>, <art@ietf.org> > *Subject: *[art] Re: [stir] For those of you who follow this kind of > stuff. > > > > How would this work with PSTN links? > > _____________ > Roman Shpount > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 6:59 PM Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us> wrote: > > > The United States government is going to mandate Rich Call Data in the > network. > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-415059A1.pdf > > > Richard Shockey > Shockey Consulting LLC > Chairman of the Board SIP Forum > www.shockey.us <http://www.shockey.us> > www.sipforum.org > > richard<at>shockey.us > Skype-Linkedin-Facebook –Twitter rshockey101 > PSTN +1 703-593-2683 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list -- stir@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to stir-leave@ietf.org > > _______________________________________________ art mailing list -- > art@ietf.org To unsubscribe send an email to art-leave@ietf.org >
- [stir] For those of you who follow this kind of s… Richard Shockey
- [stir] Re: For those of you who follow this kind … Roman Shpount
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- [stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow … Roman Shpount
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow … Brett Nemeroff
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: Re: Re: For those of you who… Tim Bray
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: Re: Re: For those of you who… Brett Nemeroff
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow … Richard Shockey
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow … Roman Shpount
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow … Chris Wendt
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow … Pierce Gorman
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow … Brett Nemeroff
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow … Roman Shpount
- [stir] Verifiable Voice Protocol (VVP) Pierce Gorman
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow … Pierce Gorman
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow … Andy Newton
- [stir] Re: Verifiable Voice Protocol (VVP) Daniel Hardman
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: Re: Re: For those of you who… Roman Shpount
- [stir] Re: Verifiable Voice Protocol (VVP) Russ Housley
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: Re: Re: For those of you who… Richard Shockey
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: Re: Re: For those of you who… Roman Shpount
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: Re: Re: For those of you who… Henning Schulzrinne
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: Re: Re: For those of you who… Roman Shpount
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: Re: Re: For those of you who… Pierce Gorman
- [stir] Re: Verifiable Voice Protocol (VVP) Orie
- [stir] Re: Verifiable Voice Protocol (VVP) Peterson, Jon
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow … Brett Nemeroff
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: Re: Re: For those of you who… Richard Shockey
- [stir] Re: Verifiable Voice Protocol (VVP) Daniel Hardman
- [stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow … Chris Wendt
- [stir] Re: Verifiable Voice Protocol (VVP) Brett Nemeroff