[stir] Re: [art] Re: For those of you who follow this kind of stuff.

Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us> Wed, 08 October 2025 00:11 UTC

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It wont . You mean the legacy TDM/SS7 crap…this is the beginning of mandating all SIP in the US realtime US voice network as the British have done.

 

I would not want to own a Tandem Access network.

 

The US industry is pretty clear on this.  You only need to read the FCC 17-97 docket at the FCC ECFS website to understand where the players actually are.

 

This again is my day job.

 

 

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From: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2025 at 7:37 PM
To: Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us>
Cc: IETF STIR Mail List <stir@ietf.org>, <art@ietf.org>
Subject: [art] Re: [stir] For those of you who follow this kind of stuff.

 

How would this work with PSTN links?

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Roman Shpount

 

 

On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 6:59 PM Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us> wrote:


The United States government is going to mandate Rich Call Data in the network.

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-415059A1.pdf


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