Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm
Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Tue, 17 May 2016 03:31 UTC
Return-Path: <ekr@rtfm.com>
X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4975012D70F for <stir@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 16 May 2016 20:31:37 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x0ziWJ4jyC2M for <stir@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 16 May 2016 20:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-yw0-x22b.google.com (mail-yw0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1738F12D591 for <stir@ietf.org>; Mon, 16 May 2016 20:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-yw0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id j74so3690658ywg.1 for <stir@ietf.org>; Mon, 16 May 2016 20:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7gyQOt7p1vak3WfMLuE8xCSqHUwQIS9QdfGy70g59cA=; b=Mfjn6ZMqsrSvctAj28VnjIMKCi2BNmRg2FAPDTbuZ6FYVhCVeKVlVc9r+wLV74fX6g hhcGpCo9+qklVzlDgqPsc96dB9cKBB/G7Qaf1fxrDYUyMUltlPk0QRSaa2mZzk9MNSSR ta1LAD1YQgeBK+tUv7Sq6OmMuN+GkyoN9CpBxuvAvgliKxoqZYdkdy7TVYHsQAE9QXii /rTksUN6DYruC980caJ3Pw8ADK8yfJvr1nkby9QJj3zJPyDRQ8tExeKvlJi+0Nxgkjwe ZO3522yv2achykQUgStgxvg0SCOUsiCb637JabOn4RZfVEHMxcIzKDa/Hg+YerX2PSCn kbcA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7gyQOt7p1vak3WfMLuE8xCSqHUwQIS9QdfGy70g59cA=; b=O5aYvI7tB3z7N81HGIQUV9dZ9dS/vY4HhdlAyWASH4wDh7hW0rBRdNMiomWwdVtfsR Txua/8yRvDkdojJJ/hM11HivkooyFK3bo9nN3cuamJr6qFzPYZXeKNE9f3YbjJWnCbNS uK5/CifZnAO8PerPtTO5KMgdlnlnDX8sIdW7P//mE0lrSqE7igzYtKNjG8Z/P4JBu5oF FF+V303UHrL+zafMFjZ+etXP79+DJZrsgifO+Du9m2IUNoJOCPqNLf5MePjGFHVunXdI KRr4Q9F95cUGaXSii4DWt8GrDL0w3/mJ+oJQYdvh26a7lIZDflQ2ucN8fUsrQBDMSbBA 5lrQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXCdPjSFlLu1vL9qvRkXyMgdcyMN45QRI2WOZ2Ij8Lhs8XvhFEpNiece61EfG0WTj9ZDGMxey6gqcDPRg==
X-Received: by 10.129.164.145 with SMTP id b139mr11313894ywh.171.1463455894405; Mon, 16 May 2016 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.129.132.12 with HTTP; Mon, 16 May 2016 20:30:54 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <AA4D2199-3A8D-4015-86F3-DEE04120E51C@vigilsec.com>
References: <D32953D1.4770F%john.mattsson@ericsson.com> <1A843300-AEB7-4EC6-8256-C88F6847B82E@neustar.biz> <D329995E.477D9%john.mattsson@ericsson.com> <A3723DBB-476C-4F22-95E0-37AE0872FBBD@shockey.us> <F4F09888-780B-4725-9A74-AD2EF661C5C0@vigilsec.com> <0DD82221-E79D-4F15-B2B5-93165EC98919@shockey.us> <570534D4.6010707@nostrum.com> <5195FEBC-8395-4E77-B768-2B2D81144121@shockey.us> <56DF2D20-9381-45CB-8057-6B1AB99B05E9@chriswendt.net> <BB4B8171-BF3E-4D3F-B81B-73AC9768ED75@shockey.us> <D3316C0C.485E4%john.mattsson@ericsson.com> <2EC06927-2614-491E-A499-C86ABB30573C@chriswendt.net> <26AE9662-B919-4B22-AFF8-45CF351AA03F@vigilsec.com> <2C466A8A-D638-49AE-9698-699D67762FF1@standardstrack.com> <EED4C512-B57C-47EC-9CE4-07C64365D246@vigilsec.com> <CABcZeBN3OLiaea10cWrtyv6R9KxHHVMuAsC56o=xmj6MWn_RYg@mail.gmail.com> <AA4D2199-3A8D-4015-86F3-DEE04120E51C@vigilsec.com>
From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 23:30:54 -0400
Message-ID: <CABcZeBPSLDeSLRgAyBqCR_K_-=F6Fck+CBZ1rSnLj7CNpDrGAA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c128ec2bb343c053301601b"
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/stir/X91ORZqunROa36RjfC3RjOigwEQ>
Cc: IETF STIR Mail List <stir@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm
X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited <stir.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/stir>, <mailto:stir-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/stir/>
List-Post: <mailto:stir@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:stir-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir>, <mailto:stir-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 03:31:37 -0000
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote: > Eric: > > I was thinking P-256, but I could be talked into: > > MUST support P-256 > SHOULD support P-384 > I would tend to just think MUST p-256. Less is more -Ekr > > Russ > > > On May 15, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote: > > This seems largely reasonable. I would consider removing the SHOULD for > RSA for > PASSporT signatures, for two reasons: > > 1. There's no legacy to deal with > 2. Because these objects are just sent out with no negotiation, it's not > that useful > to know that relying parties might or might not support your algorithm. > The safe > thing to do would be ECDSA. > > I would also note that the above doesn't specify a curve, but I assume > we're talking > P-256. > > -Ekr > > > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote: > >> I would rather be a bit more granular. >> >> MUST support ECDSA for PASSporT signatures >> SHOULD support RSA PKCS#1 v1.5 for PASSporT signatures >> >> and >> >> MUST support ECDSA for certificate signatures >> MUST support RSA PKCS#1 v1.5 for certificate signatures >> >> Then, we should say something to product planners that at some point in >> the future, we expect support for RSA to be downgraded. >> >> Russ >> > >
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Sean Turner
- [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm John Mattsson
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Chris Wendt
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm DOLLY, MARTIN C
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm John Mattsson
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Peterson, Jon
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm John Mattsson
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Richard Shockey
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Russ Housley
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Richard Shockey
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Robert Sparks
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Richard Shockey
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Eric Burger
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Eric Burger
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Chris Wendt
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Richard Shockey
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm John Mattsson
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Russ Housley
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Chris Wendt
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Richard Shockey
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Gorman, Pierce A [CTO]
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Richard Shockey
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Chris Wendt
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Eric Burger
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Russ Housley
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Eric Burger
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Chris Wendt
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Peterson, Jon
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Eric Rescorla
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Russ Housley
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Eric Rescorla
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm DOLLY, MARTIN C
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Eric Rescorla
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Chris Wendt
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Chris Wendt
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Eric Burger
- Re: [stir] Choice of STIR signature algorithm Russ Housley