Re: [stir] 8224: "end users"
Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Tue, 28 April 2020 22:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [stir] 8224: "end users"
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On 4/28/20 3:29 PM, Holmes, David W [CTO] wrote: > > Michael, > > I believe you are referring to the issue of “reputation”; which is a > commercial/legal concept & way beyond the purview of any technical > standards group to verify. Validation of the ID of the originating > party as described is only one factor that may be used, along with > other factors with others as you note, to evaluate the reputation of > the originator & allow trust of the originator & potentially of the > content of the communication. > I'm referring to reputation, insofar as that would be one way to vet another doman's practices, but that is a side point. My main point that I want discussed is that if the document(s) are in any way suggesting that the receiving party can trust the user@ from the sending domain to actually be user@, that is a large mistake and should be corrected. Mike
- [stir] 8224: "end users" Michael Thomas
- Re: [stir] 8224: "end users" Holmes, David W [CTO]
- Re: [stir] 8224: "end users" Michael Thomas