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Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> Wed, 08 October 2025 17:12 UTC

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From: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2025 13:11:57 -0400
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On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 12:56 PM Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us> wrote:

> *From: *Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
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> Finally, if we intend to mandate the transmission of personally
> identifiable data with every call, we need to update SIP with a scalable
> and secure transport protocol. Most current carrier SIP implementations
> still use UDP.
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> RS> Proof positive that you can’t fix stupid.
>

What would you use as an alternative?

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Roman Shpount

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