[stir] Re: Call for adoption: draft-barnes-stir-8588bis-01 (Ends 2025-11-26)

[Pierce Gorman <[e-mail]>]

Cool.  Thank you Chris.  Just to confirm, is the "UUID issue" the conflict where ATIS says it can be any string but IETF says UUID?  Was there consensus in the meeting on how to resolve the "UUID issue"?

Pierce
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Subject: Re: [stir] Re: Call for adoption: draft-barnes-stir-8588bis-01 (Ends 2025-11-26)

Hi Pierce,

The UUID issue was brought up in the meeting by Mary but thanks for confirming.  The biggest reason we did the bis document was actually making sure we were referencing a stable URL to the 1000074.v003 document and validated this version as consistent to this draft.  The old spec references an outdated broken link to the original 074 spec that needed to be fixed and made permanent, which now links to SIP forum URL that we know will be persistent even if the ATIS document is revised in the future.  So fixed/updated both issues, new version of document and persistent URL.

-Chris

> On Nov 6, 2025, at 1:02 PM, Pierce Gorman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> I reviewed (browsed) earlier this morning.  I noticed it says UUID is required for origid claim.  There was a big argument one day in one of the IP-NNI meetings where this point was debated because not every implementation was using UUID, and the IP-NNI came down squarely on the side of not requiring UUID. FWIW, I was in the camp that said it should be UUID but we were over-ruled.
> 
> The only point I'm trying to make is differences in the (interpretation of?) ATIS standards and IETF standards on the same claim are likely to be unhelpful.  And, does this imply Service Providers should now start failing verification of calls that formerly were ok with strings in origid like "This is the origid"?
> 
> Beyond that, I didn't see what was different in the bis versus 8588.  Is there a simple "this is what is different in the bis" description I'm overlooking?
> 
> Thanks in advance for help.
> 
> Pierce
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>> Subject: Call for adoption: draft-barnes-stir-8588bis-01  (Ends
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>> This message starts a 3-week Call for Adoption for this document.
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>> Abstract:
>>   This document extends the Personal Assertion Token (PASSporT), which
>>   is a token object that conveys cryptographically signed information
>>   about the participants involved in communications.  The extension is
>>   defined based on the "Signature-based Handling of Asserted
>>   information using toKENs (SHAKEN)" specification by the ATIS/SIP
>>   Forum IP-NNI Task Group.  It provides both (1) a specific set of
>>   levels of confidence in the correctness of the originating identity
>>   of a call originated in a SIP-based telephone network as well as (2)
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