Re: [storm] Draft minutes from Anaheim
"Knight, Frederick" <Frederick.Knight@netapp.com> Sat, 27 March 2010 20:59 UTC
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There are reports of working being done with (code being written for) MARKERS, so it is premature to remove them. Fred Knight -----Original Message----- From: Mark S. Edwards [mailto:marke@muttsnuts.com] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:56 AM To: storm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [storm] Draft minutes from Anaheim Regarding the feature removal discussion, can I add SLP to the list ? The RFC 3721 states "iSCSI equipment that need discovery functions beyond SendTargets should at least implement SLP, and then consider iSNS when extended discovery management capabilities are required such as in larger storage networks. It should be noted that since iSNS will support SLP, iSNS can be used to help manage the discovery information returned by SLP." The implication is that targets and initiators should expect to find support for SLP before considering iSNS. I remember our first iSCSI appliance and we spent ages trying to get SLP working because it the above wording effectively made it mandatory. SLP turned out to be a complete bust and was effectively killed off when Microsoft refused to support it in their initiator and in their target logo tests. The result is that today I doubt you could find a target or initiator out there supporting SLP. For anybody that does still implement SLP we could change the wording for SLP a little to remove the implied hierarchy, or just admit that running code has created IETF consensus. On another removal topic, I seem to recall that Mallikarjun also said that he was removing markers. I don't particularly object to this but I do wonder if this will affect any HBA implementations ? Regards, Mark. At 06:59 27/03/2010, Black_David@emc.com wrote: >Draft minutes are attached - please comment, correct, etc. > >Also, in the absence of objection on this mailing list, decisions >recorded in the minutes are considered to be the rough consensus of >this WG, *except* that two issues were identified as sufficiently >important to discuss separately on the list (see separate messages): > - Text negotiation key for new iSCSI features (discussion > in progress) > - Features to remove from iSCSI (discussion to be started) > >Many thanks to Craig Carlson for taking notes during the meeting. > >Thanks, >--David >---------------------------------------------------- >David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer >EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 >+1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 >black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 >---------------------------------------------------- > > > > >_______________________________________________ >storm mailing list >storm@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm _______________________________________________ storm mailing list storm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Asgeir Eiriksson
- [storm] Draft minutes from Anaheim Black_David
- Re: [storm] Draft minutes from Anaheim Mark S. Edwards
- Re: [storm] Draft minutes from Anaheim Knight, Frederick
- [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Paul Koning
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Paul Koning
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Mark S. Edwards
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Stephen Bailey
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Asgeir Eiriksson
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Mark S. Edwards
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? William Stouder-Studenmund
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Julian Satran
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Asgeir Eiriksson
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Caitlin Bestler
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Pat Thaler
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Mark Bakke (mbakke)
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? David Harrington
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Black_David
- [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Black_David
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Mark S. Edwards
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? david.black
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Mark S. Edwards
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? David Harrington
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? David Harrington
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? David Harrington
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Mark S. Edwards
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? David Harrington