Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers?
"Paul Koning" <Paul_Koning@Dell.com> Tue, 30 March 2010 01:01 UTC
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From: Paul Koning <Paul_Koning@Dell.com>
To: Mallikarjun Chadalapaka <cbm@chadalapaka.com>, "Mark S. Edwards" <marke@muttsnuts.com>, storm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers?
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I sure would like markers to go away. Rumors of their use are somewhat interesting, but substantiated data would be more so. paul > -----Original Message----- > From: storm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:storm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Mallikarjun Chadalapaka > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 8:33 PM > To: 'Mark S. Edwards'; storm@ietf.org > Subject: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? > > Just to clarify... > > > On another removal topic, I seem to recall that Mallikarjun also said > > that he was removing markers. > > I had only said that it's one of the items I had heard prior requests > on > (that it be removed). Thanks for initiating the list discussion > though! > > > but I do wonder if this will affect any HBA implementations ? > > Good question, I don't know. HBA vendors, especially iSCSI/iSER/RNIC > "roto-tilled" implementations, please chime in. > > > Mallikarjun > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: storm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:storm-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of > Mark > > S. Edwards > > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 6:56 AM > > To: storm@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [storm] Draft minutes from Anaheim > > > > Regarding the feature removal discussion, can I add SLP to the list ? > > > > The RFC 3721 states > > > > "iSCSI equipment that > > need discovery functions beyond SendTargets should at least > > implement SLP, and then consider iSNS when extended discovery > > management capabilities are required such as in larger storage > > networks. It should be noted that since iSNS will support > SLP, > > iSNS can be used to help manage the discovery information > returned > > by SLP." > > > > The implication is that targets and initiators should expect to find > > support for SLP before considering iSNS. > > > > I remember our first iSCSI appliance and we spent ages trying to get > > SLP working because it the above wording effectively made it > > mandatory. SLP turned out to be a complete bust and was effectively > > killed off when Microsoft refused to support it in their initiator > > and in their target logo tests. > > > > The result is that today I doubt you could find a target or initiator > > out there supporting SLP. > > > > For anybody that does still implement SLP we could change the wording > > for SLP a little to remove the implied hierarchy, or just admit that > > running code has created IETF consensus. > > > > > > On another removal topic, I seem to recall that Mallikarjun also said > > that he was removing markers. I don't particularly object to this > > but I do wonder if this will affect any HBA implementations ? > > > > Regards, > > > > Mark. > > > > > > At 06:59 27/03/2010, Black_David@emc.com wrote: > > >Draft minutes are attached - please comment, correct, etc. > > > > > >Also, in the absence of objection on this mailing list, decisions > > >recorded in the minutes are considered to be the rough consensus of > > >this WG, *except* that two issues were identified as sufficiently > > >important to discuss separately on the list (see separate messages): > > > - Text negotiation key for new iSCSI features (discussion > > > in progress) > > > - Features to remove from iSCSI (discussion to be started) > > > > > >Many thanks to Craig Carlson for taking notes during the meeting. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >--David > > >---------------------------------------------------- > > >David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer > > >EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > > >+1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > > >black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > > >---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >storm mailing list > > >storm@ietf.org > > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > storm mailing list > > storm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm > > _______________________________________________ > storm mailing list > storm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Asgeir Eiriksson
- [storm] Draft minutes from Anaheim Black_David
- Re: [storm] Draft minutes from Anaheim Mark S. Edwards
- Re: [storm] Draft minutes from Anaheim Knight, Frederick
- [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Paul Koning
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Paul Koning
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Mark S. Edwards
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Stephen Bailey
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Asgeir Eiriksson
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Mark S. Edwards
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? William Stouder-Studenmund
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Julian Satran
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Asgeir Eiriksson
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Caitlin Bestler
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Pat Thaler
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Mark Bakke (mbakke)
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? David Harrington
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
- Re: [storm] Removing iSCSI Markers? Black_David
- [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Black_David
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Mark S. Edwards
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? david.black
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Mark S. Edwards
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? David Harrington
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? David Harrington
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? David Harrington
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? Mark S. Edwards
- Re: [storm] iSCSI feature removal: SLP ? David Harrington