Re: [straw] RTCP document: Proposed Standard or Best Current Practice?

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Fri, 10 June 2016 10:50 UTC

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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Lorenzo Miniero <lorenzo@meetecho.com>, "straw@ietf.org" <straw@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [straw] RTCP document: Proposed Standard or Best Current Practice?
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(As co-chair)

Hi,

Just to point out that, apart from the taxonomy document, all STRAW
deliverables so far haven been ³Standards Track².

Regards,

Christer


On 10/06/16 13:46, "straw on behalf of Lorenzo Miniero"
<straw-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of lorenzo@meetecho.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I just published a new version of the RTCP document, that hopefully
>now addresses all the very useful comments Ben provided in his
>latest detailed review:
>
>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-rtcp-12
>
>One last notable point remains to be clarified, that is related to the
>intended scope of the document. The draft is currently "Standards
>Track", something Ben is not sure about, considering this might mean
>expecting B2BUA developers to implement this. Besides, the document is
>more trying to discipline the behaviour of components that, for one
>reason or another, are not always adhering to specifications that
>should already prevent the broken behaviours the draft tries to
>address. In order to make sure the WG would be aware of this discussion
>and not have it buried under the other discussions we had around the
>document itself, Ben suggested to open a new post to discuss
>specifically about this and get the WG's feeling on the matter.
>
>As I said a few posts ago, I'd rather keep the document "Proposed
>Standard" than changing it to a "Best Current Practice", mainly because
>we want it to have an actual impact and stress the importance of doing
>things right in that context. Besides, the DTLS-SRTP document was
>published as "Standards Track" too, and I believe the aim of the two
>documents was similar. Anyway, I obviously wouldn't fight changing it to
>"Best Current Practice", as we are talking about guidelines on the
>behaviour to follow.
>
>What is your opinion on this? Any reason to change the scope of the
>document, or any reason not to?
>
>Thanks!
>Lorenzo
>
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