Re: [Suit] SUIT rechartering: proposed text

Milestone thoughts to promote discussion:

	Oct 2021		Adoption:

	Mar 2022		Request Publication on standards track

Russ

> On Jul 12, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Brendan Moran <Brendan.Moran@arm.com> wrote:
> 
> As mentioned at the virtual interim, there was already some proposed charter text circulated. Here it is again:
>> To support the manifest format(s) defined by this group, it will also define formats and protocols that enable a Status Tracker to determine if a particular manifest could be successfully deployed to a device and determine if an operation was successful.
>> 
>> Specifications of names or numbers will enable the use of manifests, their precursors, and their successors within existing or future protocols.
>> 
> This most immediate beneficiary of this charter text is draft-moran-suit-mud.
> 
> Given how trivial this draft is, I think it could have reasonably quick milestones, but it is, of course, dependent on draft-ietf-suit-manifest. I’d be appreciative of any suggestions on the timeline for this draft.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Brendan
> 
>> On 16 Feb 2021, at 22:39, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca <mailto:mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Brendan Moran <Brendan.Moran@arm.com <mailto:Brendan.Moran@arm.com>> wrote:
>>    bm> As a part of proposing several new drafts, I was asked to propose some new charter text that would enable the working group to address the new drafts.
>> 
>>    bm> The drafts in question are:
>> 
>>    bm> * draft-moran-suit-mud
>>    bm> * draft-moran-suit-report
>>    bm> * draft-birkholz-rats-suit-claims (TBD, maybe SUIT, maybe RATS)
>> 
>> As a RATS architecture editor, I prefer to do this document in SUIT.
>> Sure, RATS should be consulted, but the expertise in getting the claim
>> written right exists in SUIT, not RATS.
>> 
>>    bm> draft-moran-suit-mud proposes a method to anchor MUDs with the same
>>    bm> trust and fetch mechanisms as SUIT.
>> 
>>    bm> draft-moran-suit-report proposes a document format for reporting the
>>    bm> results of applying a SUIT update or secure execution using a SUIT
>>    bm> manifest.
>> 
>>    bm> draft-birkholz-rats-suit-claims proposes number assignments for EAT
>>    bm> claims that contain evidence generated during execution of a SUIT
>>    bm> manifest.
>> 
>>    bm> I would like to add a single paragraph to the charter:
>> 
>>>> To support the manifest format(s) defined by this group, it will also define
>>>> formats that enable precursor or successor operations around the use of
>>>> the manifests. Additional specifications of names or numbers will enable
>>>> the use of manifests, their precursors, and their successors within
>>>> existing or future protocols.
>> 
>> That seems like fine text.
>> I am not sure that an external reviewer will understand how it implies that
>> three documents are in scope.  It may be just too abstract for some IESG
>> members.  The trend seems to be that charters are very specific.
>> I think that the "precusor or successor operations" is the part that might be
>> too abstract.  Maybe that part should spell out what you want.
>> 
>> } To support the manifest format(s) defined by this group, it will also
>> } define formats and protocols that enable a Status Tracker to determine if a
>> } particular manifest could be successfully deployed to a device, and
>> } determine if an operation was successful.
>> } Additional specifications of names or numbers will enable the use of
>> } manifests, their precursors, and their successors within existing or future protocols.
>> 
>> --
>> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca <mailto:mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
>>           Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
>> 
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