Re: [Suit] Tutorial and Hackathon

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Hannes,

One more point; I am only interested in testing the vulnerabilities of both protocols TEEP and SUIT to externally controlled DDoS traffic generation or reflection. So, to your point I believe both WG should be interested in this test. Thanks

./Sorin


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Subject: Re: [Teep] Tutorial and Hackathon


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Hi Sorin,

Thanks for your feedback. I believe your tools would be helpful in the context of the TEEP work but less so for the SUIT work (but maybe I am wrong). It is certainly something to think about as we are preparing the virtual machine image.

Regarding the date: the thinking was that we should try it as early as possible but still leaving us enough time. The challenge with attaching the event to the IETF meeting is simply that there are so many other activities attached to it. While the hackathon at the IETF meeting is great (and I always enjoy attending it) it turns out getting so busy that it is difficult to get the actual coding done because there are so many distractions. With a complex topic as embedded development and TEEs I believe having a much, much smaller group would actually be beneficial for folks. The SUIT hackathon in Berlin was we did last year was such an example. It was very focused and we accomplished a lot.

Ciao
Hannes


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Subject: RE: Tutorial and Hackathon

Hannes,

As you know I already made the first step at Hackathon in Montreal when I brought a VM that I used to run the DDoS based on IoT devices. So, if there will be a VM with development tools I can add to it my python tools so all can check their devices. I can provide to Thomas all my tools to be also included in the VM. I have a problem though; it will require an additional travel to Berlin outside of the IETF formal meetings and it might create a problem for some people under the current travel restrictions. As it has to be F2F maybe we can do it a day before IETF 107 in Vancouver? Thoughts? Thank you

./Sorin

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Subject: [Teep] Tutorial and Hackathon


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Hi all,

at the Montreal meeting we briefly talked about the idea of organizing a tutorial followed by a hackathon for SUIT and TEEP.
A few discussions later we came up with the following story.

Thomas Schmidt (HAW Hamburg) offered to host the event in Berlin. As a date around Jan/Feb 2020 looks more realistic to prepare all the necessary material. The idea was to create a virtual machine with the development environment pre-installed and to make it available to the interested participants well in advance so that we don't have to waste time with tool/IDE problems. This virtual machine image would primarily be used for embedded development. For the TEEP story a separate setup will be needed to support TrustZone/SGX-based devices (since the development environments are different). The virtual machine setup for embedded development would be tailored to a specific embedded hardware and we haven't decided yet what hardware to use. The SUIT hackathon demo boards used in earlier IETF Hackathons may be an reasonable choice. Thoughts are nevertheless welcome. At the tutorial we would get participants up to speed on the most recent protocol/manifest format and the already written tools (e.g., the Python tool to create a manifest) so that time at the hackathon is spent as productive as possible.

We thought it makes sense to cover both SUIT and TEEP in a single event because both groups plan to the manifest format and some of the use cases overlap.

Russ suggested to conclude the event with a virtual interim meeting (maybe an hour long) to discuss the lessons learned.

As you can see, the event is focused on hands-on work and hence we will not offer remote participation possibilities. If you are not interested in writing code this event is likely not very useful for you.

We need your feedback:


  *   Would you like to participate in such an event?
  *   In case you know already, what topic would you like to explore at the event?
  *   Is the Jan/Feb 2020 timeframe good for you?
  *   Is your interest in TEEP, SUIT, or both?
  *   Do you have additional suggestions for getting most out of this event?

Ciao
Hannes

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