Re: [Suit] [COSE] draft-atkins-suit-cose-walnutdsa
Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> Thu, 01 August 2019 00:11 UTC
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From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Suit] [COSE] draft-atkins-suit-cose-walnutdsa
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 03:38:05PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Derek Atkins <derek@ihtfp.com> wrote: > >> And the other two are Expert Review anyway, no specification required! > >> You are even listed as one of the experts for COSE Key Types :-) > > > Yes, I know I am one of the experts for these registries. However, I > > feel I must recuse myself from approval of these. > > Yes, obviously, but the point is that you will know how to ask nicely :-) > > >> You could also ask for early allocation via the COSE WG, but that > >> probably requires the document to be adopted first! > > > Does it? Or does the WG just need to approve of the document going > > through any of the publication processes? > > If the document isn't adopted, then I don't think the WG chairs can ask the > AD to approve. I think that adoption is the only required step; your > document could take awhile to progress. IANA will check back on progress for I think so, too. > the early allocation, to make sure the document is still of interest. Yes, a one-year extension with just the chairs' approval and subsequent ones with the IESG's approval. > >> That's what I would do: just ask for the values via Expert Review, and > >> live for now, with the a five-bye (encoded) COSE Algorithm code, if > >> your market need is urgent. > > > Yes, I could just request the entries in the registry. However, I am > > trying to be a good netizen; I want to have a document that people can > > look at to understand what the registry items mean. > > While you don't have to provide a specification for Expert Review, I think > that if you *do* that it will get recorded. If you later on get a 1-byte I think so, too. > code allocated then, it's code complexity, but it's not too terrible, I think. > At some point, your constrained devices will only use the 1-byte code, > and your non-constrained devices will continue to be tolerant of both. > > >> Derek Atkins <derek@ihtfp.com> wrote: > We have customers who are > >> looking to use this technology today, so we > would like to do it in a > >> standard way that others could understand. > Personally, I'm fine > >> with an Informational (instead of Standards-track) > publication if > >> that would make people happier. Even so, the RFC Editor > would still > >> require approval from this WG as it is within their (the > WG's) area. > >> > >> yes, if you went ISE, which would still take awhile. > > > I am fine going through the ISE, however I suspect that the IESG in > > their conflict review would then go and ask this WG about it. So I My understanding is that Adrian will be asking that even before the document gets far enough to need an IESG conflict review. > > wanted to bring it up here, first. What is your definition of > > "awhile"? > > Given the conflict review and the typical length of the RFC editor Production > queue, I would say you are looking at a year before AUTH48, but the early > allocation could occur much sooner. Adrian has been pressing the IESG to adhere better to the 4-week timeline for conflict review responses (modulo IETF meetings, etc.), but given the xmlv3 cutover and C238 breaking loose, it does seem reasonable to expect things to get backed up a bit. -Ben
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- Re: [Suit] [COSE] draft-atkins-suit-cose-walnutdsa Derek Atkins
- Re: [Suit] [COSE] draft-atkins-suit-cose-walnutdsa Michael Richardson
- Re: [Suit] [COSE] draft-atkins-suit-cose-walnutdsa Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Suit] [COSE] draft-atkins-suit-cose-walnutdsa Derek Atkins
- Re: [Suit] [COSE] draft-atkins-suit-cose-walnutdsa Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Suit] [COSE] draft-atkins-suit-cose-walnutdsa Derek Atkins
- Re: [Suit] [COSE] draft-atkins-suit-cose-walnutdsa Benjamin Kaduk