Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4
Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Wed, 16 May 2018 14:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4
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Le 16/05/2018 à 14:31, Michael Richardson a écrit : [...] > Terry Manderson <terry.manderson@icann.org> wrote: > > That is a fair request. > > > I’m not sure the MIF example applies completely as the situations were > > different, however I’ll take on board the desire for AD guidance when > > it comes to work. > > > I appreciate the desire to have a ‘home’ for discussions. How about > > this. I’ll close the WG, but leave the sunset4 mailing list open at > > least until March next year. I’m sure that the volume of discussion up > > I'm okay with this. > My impression is that sunset4 tried hard, but failed to get consensus. > That's not a failure to get work done --- not getting consensus usually > takes longer than a trivial consensus. > > My take is that sunset4 was sligthly premature; My take is that sunset is a great name. I would have loved to learn in this group a few things: - is there a process in place that gives back to IANA the unused IPv4 space. How much is this process used? - why new technologies and sites get invented yet IPv6 is not on them (deployed IoT w/ IPv4, self-driving cars w/ IPv4, new big office buildings w/ IPv4, and so on). - in 5G why there is no GTP replacement using QUIC instead of UDP and IPv6 instead of IPv4. And, my last question, my most preferred, which I know is polarizing, soo feel free to ignore: why does not IETF put exclusive content on IPv6? Generally speaking I have never heard of some highly interesting content that is available on IPv6. When that happens immediately somebody puts in on IPv4 too. Or maybe it's just a matter of time, and things are moving slower than one's expectations. > operators aren't ready do to > this. Yes, there are **now** data centers where IPv4 is going away Yes I learned that recently and it was news to me. , but > those DC also are almost always closed proprietary environments (even if the > components are open source, I can't buy a cabinet in that space, and they > don't run off-the-shelf OS builds). It seems though they can be accessed on the Internet, right? I mean such a data center can be accessed freely on IPv6, and for a fee put content there. That content would not be available on IPv4. I think the next step would be to have free upload capability (like drive.google but w/o IPv4). > > I think that we wanted to be premature, such that we could get OS vendors > to test having no IPv4 *now*, and not discover things are broken ten years > later when the equipement can't be replaced. We actually spured a few OS > vendors (FreeBSD, Linux, others) to try the test... many discovered > "127.0.0.1" hard code in many places. > > In the end, the problem is that funded OS vendors at the IETF has been > "reduced" to Apple and Google, neither of which is in the desktop market > it seems... While MS is clearly still here, funded Linux OS/networking people > are not at IETF (Wouters excepted!). > > So sunset4 did as much work as it could without broad OS vendor consensus. > I believe that the situation will change once more operators begin to > attempt to really turn off IPv4 in a non-3G space. > > Please keep the list alive. I agree. And make new inspiring stickers :-) Alex > > -- > Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sunset4 mailing list > sunset4@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sunset4 >
- [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Terry Manderson
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Terry Manderson
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Terry Manderson
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Bjoern A. Zeeb
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Michael Richardson
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Bjoern A. Zeeb
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Lee Howard
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Alejandro Acosta
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Leo Gaspard
- Re: [sunset4] Closing Sunset4 Lee Howard