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Re: [sunset4] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.txt> (IETF: End Work on IPv4) to Proposed Standard

Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Thu, 05 October 2017 12:31 UTC

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To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [sunset4] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf-01.txt> (IETF: End Work on IPv4) to Proposed Standard
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On 10/4/2017 3:18 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> "no new work" or "no IPv4-specific work" both assume that IPv6 is a
>> superset of IPv4, which it is not.
> I don't see that assumption either stated or implied. If there are
> features missing in IPv6, that's a completely separate topic.
I was arguing against new wording that might use the quotes above. IMO,
the current doc is even more restrictive.

>
>> We're still wrangling with aspects of
>> IPv6 that actually are evolving back into IPv4-like approaches, e.g.,
>> limits to the length of the header chain and problems supporting
>> fragment traversal of routers.
> I don't see what that has to do with the draft under discussion.

It was intended as an example of how IPv6 is not a superset of IPv4.

Joe

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