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Re: [T2TRG] [hackathon] Formal Languages at the Hackathon

Marc Petit-Huguenin <marc@petit-huguenin.org> Wed, 06 November 2019 21:14 UTC

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To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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Subject: Re: [T2TRG] [hackathon] Formal Languages at the Hackathon
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Maybe we need a new mailing-list to discuss formal languages...

On 11/6/19 1:11 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> This is getting kind of long for the hackathon mailing list (not that I object to formal languages!).
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 18:20, Antoni Przygienda <prz@juniper.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   When the complexity of the data being modeled dominates your thinking …
>>>
>>> Tony’s dogma: “Complexity of any successful technology _always_ goes up with time” 😉 😉
>>
>> Indeed, that’s why I talked about “dominates your thinking” (as opposed to “should dominate your thinking”).
>>
>> An interesting effect of having a great FDT technique is that it becomes much easier to handle complexity.
>> A follow-on effect is that, as it is so much easier to put in complexity, you do put in more of that.
>> Which will hurt you sooner than you think (*)…
>>
>> So I strongly believe that a prerequisite of using FDT successfully is that the formal model of your shiny new RFC should now fit on one slide.  (Which actually works out for RFC 7071 (+)!)
>>
>> Grüße, Carsten
>>
>> (*) I still remember when I first read the ASN.1 for GSM MAP.  All 950 pages [IIRC] of it…
>> (+) https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8610#page-61
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