Re: [tae] The internet architecture
John Day <jeanjour@comcast.net> Fri, 05 December 2008 15:40 UTC
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:25:34 -0500
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It is so reassuring when "modern" is a third of a century old.
Sorry, but I am finding this new found wisdom just a little frustrating.
At 9:40 -0500 2008/12/05, Henning Schulzrinne wrote:
>>Wouldn't it have been nice if the de facto APIs in use today were more
>>along the lines of ConnectTo(DNS name, service/port).
>
>This certainly seems to be the way that "modern" APIs are heading.
>If I'm not mistaken, Java, PHP, Perl, Tcl, Python and most other
>scripting languages have a socket-like API that does not expose IP
>addresses, but rather connects directly to DNS names. (In many
>cases, they unify file and socket opening and specify the
>application protocol, to, so that one can do
>fopen("http://www.ietf.org"), for example.) Thus, we're well on our
>way towards the goal of making (some) application oblivious to
>addresses. I suspect that one reason for the popularity of these
>languages is exactly that programmers don't want to bother
>remembering when to use ntohs().
>
>Henning
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