Re: [tae] The internet architecture
Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Thu, 04 December 2008 22:11 UTC
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Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > I am trying to parse this claim. > > Are you saying that the DNS is fragile and raw IP relatively robust? DNS is layered on top of IP. So for a large class of IP failures, DNS won't work either. And if IP routing fails, DNS is likely to be irrelevant because the application using DNS won't work anyway. And in practice, DNS is quite likely to fail due to configuration errors, inadequate provisioning, outdated cache entries due to unanticipated changes, brain-damaged DNS caches built into NATs, failure of registries to transfer a DNS name in a timely fashion, etc. So it's not a question of whether DNS is less reliable than IP (it is), or even whether the reliability of DNS + IP is less than that of IP alone (it is). It's a question of whether increasing reliance on DNS by trying to get apps and other things to use DNS names exclusively, makes those apps and other things less reliable. And I'd argue that it does, except perhaps in a world where renumbering happened frequently, at irregular intervals, and without notice. And I don't think that's a realistic scenario. Keith _______________________________________________ tae mailing list tae@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tae
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Bryan Ford
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Keith Moore
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Keith Moore
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Keith Moore
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture John Leslie
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- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Keith Moore
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- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Dave CROCKER
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- [tae] sockets vs. fds Dave CROCKER
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- Re: [tae] The internet architecture John Day
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- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Keith Moore
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Keith Moore
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Keith Moore
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Keith Moore
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Dave CROCKER
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- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Thomas Narten
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- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Thomas Narten
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- Re: [tae] sockets vs. fds Tony Finch
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture David W. Hankins
- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [tae] sockets vs. fds Florian Weimer
- [tae] The Great Naming Debate (was Re: The intern… Bryan Ford
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- Re: [tae] The Great Naming Debate (was Re: The in… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [tae] The Great Naming Debate (was Re: The in… Melinda Shore
- Re: [tae] The Great Naming Debate (was Re: The in… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
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