Re: [tae] The internet architecture

John Day <jeanjour@comcast.net> Fri, 05 December 2008 17:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tae] The internet architecture
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In other words the failure of a university education.


At 8:46 -0800 2008/12/05, Dave CROCKER wrote:
>John Day wrote:
>>Speak for yourself David.  These problems have been well understood 
>>and discussed since 1972.  But you are correct, that there were 
>>still a large unwashed that didn't and I am still not sure why that 
>>was. This seems to be elementary system architecture.
>
>
>John,
>
>After your or I or whoever indulges in our flash of brilliant 
>insight, it is the unwashed who do all the work.
>
>So I was careful to refer to "the community" rather than claim that 
>no one at all understand the issue.
>
>I measure the community in terms of that pesky "rough consensus" 
>construct and particularly in terms of running code.  Even in terms 
>of the much more relaxed measure, namely mindshare, the community 
>reflects no clear consensus on the matter of name-vs-address split, 
>beyond now believing that we should do more of it.
>
>We are only beginning to see broader use of the distinction between 
>transient, within-session naming, for merging data coming in from 
>alternate paths, versus global, persistent naming, for initial 
>rendez vous.
>
>d/
>
>--
>
>   Dave Crocker
>   Brandenburg InternetWorking
>   bbiw.net

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