Re: [tae] The internet architecture
"David W. Hankins" <David_Hankins@isc.org> Fri, 05 December 2008 23:41 UTC
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 08:46:48AM -0800, Dave CROCKER wrote: > John Day wrote: >> discussed since 1972. But you are correct, that there were still a large >> unwashed that didn't and I am still not sure why that was. This seems to > > After your or I or whoever indulges in our flash of brilliant insight, it > is the unwashed who do all the work. I'm assuming you are using the term 'unwashed' to refer to the simple act of bathing, rather than as in my background I understand it as a metaphor for Christian baptism. Surely neither Mr. Crocker nor Mr. Day are referring to IETF baptismal practices? Could either of you two elaborate on why you think that bathing (or the evident lack thereof) is at all relevant to Internet standards? I'm aware that in the ~400AD's there was actually quite a lot of (religio) philosophical debate over the practice of bathing (which I rather would think we'd put behind us after 1600 years), but I've never heard it said that good engineers do (or don't) bathe. -- Ash bugud-gul durbatuluk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. Why settle for the lesser evil? https://secure.isc.org/store/t-shirt/ -- David W. Hankins "If you don't do it right the first time, Software Engineer you'll just have to do it again." Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. -- Jack T. Hankins
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- Re: [tae] The internet architecture Bryan Ford
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