Re: [ledbat] "Oh Noes, the Internetz will Melt Down..."

Nicholas Weaver <nweaver@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU> Tue, 02 December 2008 01:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: [ledbat] "Oh Noes, the Internetz will Melt Down..."
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On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Woundy, Richard wrote:

>> IF the algorithm is equivalent to what was presented at the IETF,
> namely, a delay-based ADDITION to a TCP-like AIMD, this will only  
> have a
> net benefit, as this will still stabilize out like any other TCP flow
> (so no effect on the ISP congestion problem one way or the other), but
> will have a huge benefit on the buffer-oversizing congestion problem.
>
> Have we established that there is "no effect on the ISP congestion
> problem one way or the other"? I missed that.

Good point, and I messed up.  A better way of putting it in retrospect  
is:

The delay based addition can't make the ISP congestion problem worse,  
because its Min(delay based, AIMD based) in prefromance.

It is an open question whether it can make the ISP congestion problem  
better, as at the common-points of congestion, the buffer sizing may  
be too small to provide a reliable indication of impending congestion  
in an ISP network.

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