Re: [tao-discuss] New version of the "Tao of the IETF" published

Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.net> Mon, 12 September 2022 15:50 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tao-discuss] New version of the "Tao of the IETF" published
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Excellent - merged!

On 12-09-2022 17:49, Joel Halpern wrote:
> Just to close the loop, yes, I think that suffices.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Joel
> 
> On 9/12/2022 5:43 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> On 09-09-2022 18:45, Joel Halpern wrote:
>>> I do not want to be too picky.  I understand that it is impossible to get the wording of the Tao perfect.  And I understand that it does not need to be precise or complete in describing our process.  (If it were, it would likely be unreadable.)
>>>
>>> However, in the section describing the IESG processing of RFCs, I see that the text claims that the IESG reviews EACH (emphasis added) drafts that are becoming RFCs.  And the text as written implies that in all cases those reviews result in ballots with the described positions. However, that is not the case,  IRTF drafts and Independent Stream drafts do not get that treatment.   When we next edit this, could we change that slightly?
>>>
>>> Maybe make it "each IETF produced RFC"?  Or at the section that says "As part of the document reviews" make that "For IETF produced RFCs, as part of the document reviews"?  (I would have used "stream" rather than "produced" but I think that might be confusing for newcomers as they often are not familiar with RFC streams.)
>>>
>>
>> This is the proposed change, correct?
>>
>> https://github.com/ietf/tao/pull/52
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Niels
>>
>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> On 9/9/2022 10:27 AM, IETF Chair wrote:
>>>> [Forwarding this on behalf of the Tao editors - Lars]
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I am very happy to announce the new version of the Tao of the IETF [0].
>>>>
>>>> This version significantly benefited from suggestions and contributions by the community, most notably from Rich Salz, for which I as editor am very thankful.
>>>>
>>>> This publication would also not have been possible without the support of Greg Wood and the review of the IESG.
>>>>
>>>> The IESG requested for future iterations to have smaller changes, so I intend to increase the publication pace. However, this also depends on the discussion about the future of the Tao.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Niels
>>>> Editor of the Tao
>>>>
>>>> PS New suggestions are of course always welcome on tao-discuss and on Github as PR (https://github.com/ietf/tao/blob/main/Tao.md)
>>>>
>>>> [0] https://ietf.org/tao
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