Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the IETF
Corinne Cath <corinnecath@gmail.com> Fri, 04 October 2019 02:42 UTC
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From: Corinne Cath <corinnecath@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2019 05:42:19 +0300
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Subject: Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the IETF
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Hi Adrian, Thank you for the follow up! A quick comment in-line: On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 1:01 AM Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote: > Niels, > > FWIW most of the IETF lists have assigned "moderators". Those moderators > are responsible for handling messages that don’t make it through (for > whatever reason) and usually for handling posts from unsubscribed senders. > So maybe it makes sense to add this explainer to the Tao and avoid the rabbit hole? > I think the term "moderator" is used for the person who has these > responsibilities by the list management package. > Whether that means those lists are moderated is therefore something we > could discuss. But maybe it is better not to? > > Furthermore, in IRC the term "moderation" usually happens post facto and > is similar to what Corinne notes the SAAs doing. > > I would suggest that the Tao explicitly says what it means. The price of a > few extra words for the removal of what turns out to be an ambiguous term > (which is, in any case, a buzz word with which some people might not be > familiar). > > Best, > Adrian > > PS. The new mailing list that Corinne is referring to was just announced > by Barry Liebe on ietf@ietf.org, and is last-call@ietf.org > > >> 2. related, the current text says that "the ietf discussion list is > unmoderated" is that correct? it seems > >> like there is some moderation going on, with interventions from the > SAA's (leaving aside the debate > >> about how much moderation is good moderation) which you mention later > on in that paragraph. > > > > I think the colloquial understanding of 'unmoderated mailinglist' is: > > > > A moderated mailing list requires each subscriber and message to be > approved by the "owner" of a list. > > > > (from: https://www.calvin.edu/~rbobeldy/tutorials/email/elistserv4.htm) > > > > In that sense ietf@ietf is unmoderated. > > -- Corinne Cath - Speth Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute Web: www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath Email: ccath@turing.ac.uk & corinnecath@gmail.com Twitter: @C_CS
- [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the IETF Niels ten Oever
- Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Stuart Cheshire
- Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Corinne Cath
- Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Niels ten Oever