Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the IETF

Corinne Cath <corinnecath@gmail.com> Fri, 04 October 2019 02:42 UTC

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From: Corinne Cath <corinnecath@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 05:42:19 +0300
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Subject: Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the IETF
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Hi Adrian,

Thank you for the follow up! A quick comment in-line:

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 1:01 AM Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:

> Niels,
>
> FWIW most of the IETF lists have assigned "moderators". Those moderators
> are responsible for handling messages that don’t make it through (for
> whatever reason) and usually for handling posts from unsubscribed senders.
>

So maybe it makes sense to add this explainer to the Tao and avoid the
rabbit hole?

> I think the term "moderator" is used for the person who has these
> responsibilities by the list management package.
> Whether that means those lists are moderated is therefore something we
> could discuss. But maybe it is better not to?
>
> Furthermore, in IRC the term "moderation" usually happens post facto and
> is similar to what Corinne notes the SAAs doing.
>
> I would suggest that the Tao explicitly says what it means. The price of a
> few extra words for the removal of what turns out to be an ambiguous term
> (which is, in any case, a buzz word with which some people might not be
> familiar).
>
> Best,
> Adrian
>
> PS. The new mailing list that Corinne is referring to was just announced
> by Barry Liebe on ietf@ietf.org, and is last-call@ietf.org
>
> >> 2. related, the current text says that "the ietf discussion list is
> unmoderated" is that correct? it seems
> >> like there is some moderation going on, with interventions from the
> SAA's (leaving aside the debate
> >> about how much moderation is good moderation) which you mention later
> on in that paragraph.
> >
> > I think the colloquial understanding of 'unmoderated mailinglist' is:
> >
> > A moderated mailing list requires each subscriber and message to be
> approved by the "owner" of a list.
> >
> > (from: https://www.calvin.edu/~rbobeldy/tutorials/email/elistserv4.htm)
> >
> > In that sense ietf@ietf is unmoderated.
>
>

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[tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the IETF Niels ten Oever
Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Stuart Cheshire
Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Niels ten Oever
Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Niels ten Oever
Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Adrian Farrel
Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Corinne Cath
Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Adrian Farrel
Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Kathleen Moriarty
Re: [tao-discuss] New Version of the Tao of the I… Niels ten Oever