Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 02 June 2018 03:31 UTC
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To: Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org>, tao-discuss@ietf.org
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version
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Just the points where I want to comment on your replies: On 01/06/2018 23:38, Niels ten Oever wrote: > Hi Brian, > > On 06/01/2018 04:13 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> Niels, ... >>> The current Areas and abbreviations are shown below (more information >>> can be found here: https://www.ietf.org/topics/areas/) >> >> I wonder about including the current list of Areas. They do change, and >> apparently more often than the Tao changes. Maybe it would be better >> just to include the pointer? > > I have been thinking about this a bit. With every link, we lose (at > least) 80% of the audience. I think the Areas should be basic knowledge > that people know. > > We also want to update the Tao more regularly, so hopefully we will > actually update the Tao more often than areas change. I was generally > thinking of doing at least an update once per year. That would be fine, but it needs to be on some annual check-list held by IASA, I think. (There's the same problem for one of the things I've been editing, https://www.ietf.org/standards/process/informal/ .) ... >>> The Sunday is an excellent day to join the meeting... >> >> How about : >> >> If you are not attending the hackathon, Sunday is an excellent day to >> join the meeting... >> > > This becomes a bit nitpicky, but I think people _can_ attend both, just > not in its entirety. What do you think about this: > > The Sunday is an excellent day to join the meeting (unless you already > join us during the hackathon on Saturday) because Saturday is the > newcomer's tutorial, as well the Quick Connections session where > newcomers get to meet with experienced IETF participants and the > Newcomer's Meet and Greet where newcomers can meet Area Directors and > Working Group Chairs. Sure, but you mean "Sunday is the newcomer's tutorial". ... >>> , continental breakfast on Monday through Friday >>> mornings (depending on the meeting venue), >> >> Why delete that? It's still true. >> > > In my experience this is only for people who stay in the venue hotel, > and not for everyone. Am I wrong? No, if there's breakfast in the breakout areas, it's for everybody. That seems to apply in North America, if the meeting rooms are in the main hotel. But not in most other countries, and not in convention centre venues. So with the three continents model for meeting locations, it's definitely no longer the norm. So , in some venues, continental breakfast on Monday through Friday mornings, might be less misleading. Thanks Brian
- [tao-discuss] First draft of new version Niels ten Oever
- Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version Adrian Farrel
- Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version Russ Housley
- Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version Niels ten Oever
- Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version Niels ten Oever
- Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version Niels ten Oever
- Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version Adrian Farrel
- Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version Niels ten Oever
- Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version Brian E Carpenter