Re: [tao-discuss] [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work (was: Re: Chair/datatracker tracking expired WG documents ?)

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>
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Thread-Topic: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work (was: Re: Chair/datatracker tracking expired WG documents ?)
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Subject: Re: [tao-discuss] [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work (was: Re: Chair/datatracker tracking expired WG documents ?)
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The proper place to discuss this is the mailing list tao-discuss; moving everyone else to BCC (where at least wgchairs will be held for approval).

>   So no, I do not think that removing is enough. Since the quote was there, we probably have to maintain an up-to-date state there too.

Well, we disagree.  Which is okay.