Re: [tao-discuss] First draft of new version

[Niels ten Oever <[e-mail]>]

Hi Brian,

On 06/01/2018 04:13 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> Niels,
> 
> Thanks. I made myself a side-by-side diff, so I've attached it for
> anybody else's convenience.
> 
> A few comments, somewhat random:
> 
>> The current Areas and abbreviations are shown below (more information
>> can be found here: https://www.ietf.org/topics/areas/).
> 
> I wonder about including the current list of Areas. They do change, and
> apparently more often than the Tao changes. Maybe it would be better
> just to include the pointer?

I have been thinking about this a bit. With every link, we lose (at
least) 80% of the audience. I think the Areas should be basic knowledge
that people know.

We also want to update the Tao more regularly, so hopefully we will
actually update the Tao more often than areas change. I was generally
thinking of doing at least an update once per year.

> 
>> Because the IESG has a great deal of influence on whether
>> Internet-Drafts become RFCs, many people look at the ADs as somewhat
>> godlike creatures. IETF participants sometimes reverently ask Area
>> Directors for their opinion on a particular subject. However, most ADs
>> are nearly indistinguishable from mere mortals and rarely speak from
>> mountaintops. In fact, when asked for specific technical comments, the
>> ADs may often defer to IETF participants whom they feel have more
>> knowledge than they do on that topic.
> 
> I can see why you might not like the tone of this paragraph, but
> I think it makes an important point, and should be rewritten rather
> than deleted. Newcomers really need to understand that ADs are just
> people.
> 

I agree. I would like to offer this:

Because the IESG is reviewing all Internet Drafts before they become
RFCs, Area Directors have quite a bit of influence. Some people
therefore shy away from directly engaging with Area Directors, whereas
they can be an important resource and help you find the person or the
answer that your looking for. At the meeting they might be very busy,
but the Newcomers Meet and Greet and email before (or after) the meeting
is a great way to get in touch.


>> The RFC Editor edits, formats, and publishes Internet-Drafts as RFCs,
>> working in conjunction with the IESG for IETF drafts, the IRTF Chair for
>> IRTF drafts, the IAB for IAB drafts, and the Independent Submissions
>> Editor for Independent Submission drafts, and of course the work with
>> the author(s). An important secondary role is to provide one definitive
>> repository for all RFCs 
> 
> Actually I don't think the repository role is secondary at all; it's
> essential.

s/secondary/other

> 
>> The Sunday is an excellent day to join the meeting...
> 
> How about :
> 
>   If you are not attending the hackathon, Sunday is an excellent day to
> join the meeting...
> 

This becomes a bit nitpicky, but I think people _can_ attend both, just
not in its entirety. What do you think about this:

The Sunday is an excellent day to join the meeting (unless you already
join us during the hackathon on Saturday) because Saturday is the
newcomer's tutorial, as well the Quick Connections session where
newcomers get to meet with experienced IETF participants and the
Newcomer's Meet and Greet where newcomers can meet Area Directors and
Working Group Chairs.

> 
>> It's worth noting that neither attendee names and addresses nor IETF
>> mailing lists are ever offered for sale.
> 
> You've deleted that, but I think it should be replaced by a pointer
> to the privacy policy that was just updated for GDPR.

Excellent, added.

Registration is open throughout the week of the meeting. However, the
Secretariat highly recommends that attendees arrive for early
registration, usually beginning at noon on Sunday and continuing
throughout the Sunday evening reception. You can find out more about how
the IETF handles your personal data here:
https://www.ietf.org/privacy-statement/.

> 
>> One of the most important (depending on your point of view) things the
>> host does is provide unfethered Internet access for the meeting
> 
> If this is a reference to RFC 1149, there is a spelling mistake.
> 

s/unfethered/unfettered

>> , continental breakfast on Monday through Friday
>> mornings (depending on the meeting venue),
> 
> Why delete that? It's still true.
> 

In my experience this is only for people who stay in the venue hotel,
and not for everyone. Am I wrong?

Thanks for the comments!

Best,

Niels

> Regards,
>      Brian
> 
> Regards
>    Brian Carpenter
> 
> 
> 
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