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Re: [tao-discuss] [Gendispatch] Requests for IETF 114

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Wed, 08 June 2022 21:09 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>, Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.net>
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>    That is a key point and is behind the disagreement about whether we need a separate Tao-like document as well as carefully designed web pages and "journeys". But the downside of having both is that we risk ending up with *four* versions of the truth about IETF procedures:

I assume you meant nothing denigrating by putting journeys in quotes.

Given that we have the historical Tao RFCs, and we could publish the final approved version as an RFC if we wanted to, what is the point of having another source of truth that would need to be kept current?  That is *not* a rhetorical question.

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